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Re: Windows 7 UAC compromised
From: "Elazar Broad" <elazar () hushmail com>
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 09:53:41 -0500

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Exactly, so we only make him click for non system
applets/utilities, and we determine that by digital signatures,
which is exactly how UAC is implemented in Windows 7. With that
said, now we are back to the original issue, a computer is only as
smart(or dumb, my apologies to the AI crowd) as the guy who
programmed it, or in other words, how hard(or easy) is it to spoof
a system applet/utility?

Human nature dictates(most of the time) that we can become
desensitized to things that are routine or occur often, in other
words, the more UAC prompts, the more blind clicking, then again,
did Joe Sixpack bother to read the first UAC prompt when he started
up his shiny new Vista for the 1st time.

Now, if we wired UAC up to a mouse with an electrode embedded in
the left mouse button, we might have a solution. Of course the
voltage would need to increase slightly over the life of the mouse
in order to solve the blind shock and click problem...

elazar

On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 05:57:03 -0500 Yudi Rosen
<yr42.lists () gmail com> wrote:
But Joe the Plumber doesn't want to have to click on endless
'confirm'
dialogs every time he tries to use the computer. Simply having him
run as a
non-admin user only fixes half the problem.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Jimmy Astle <astle.j () gmail com>
wrote:

I am new to the list so hello to everyone.....

Now for the Windows 7 UAC stuff.

1.) Its beta.... its not going to be perfect wait for RC1 before
selling 7
down the river.
2.)
http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/app-
security/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=213001021&subSection=News

               It all comes back to windows biggest issue, joe
the plumber
shouldn't not be running as a local admin on his box. UAC
problem solved!  I
still dont see how redmond missed the concept.




On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Miller Grey
<vigilantgregorius () gmail com>wrote:

...what?

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:40 PM, M.B.Jr.
<marcio.barbado () gmail com> wrote:

Windows says: Hello world! Check this out, world, this is
really cool.
Now I have, uh, something like, uh, "privileges management"!



"UAC" is no more than a new commercial designation for
something with
about 40 years.
And they (Redmond) are still missing the concept's point.






On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Christopher Pritchard
<mailinglist () brainiacghost co uk> wrote:
The biggest issue here is that although it's technically
easy to fix
this problem (just have UAC issue an alert when somebody's
messing
with
the system settings), it involves doing more of what end
users dislike
most about UAC (it issuing alerts to Joe Sixpack all the
time when he
does something bone-headed security-wise).

Fixing this one in a way that users will put up with will
be a bitch.

Why not just have it not prompt if you are changing
settings, except
for UAC settings? that would be the simple way around it

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