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Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires
From: "Elazar Broad" <elazar () hushmail com>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:25:15 -0400

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No, and besides, we all have a /dev/null for whatever we don't want
to listen to...

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:04:48 -0400 T Biehn <tbiehn () gmail com> wrote:
Here's one to mull over.
Is changing someone's mind with relentless logic tantamount to
'breaking and entering' into their mind?

-Travis

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Elazar Broad
<elazar () hushmail com> wrote:
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I am inclined to agree, except that you still have issues with
the
electronic equivalent of breaking and entering. Case in point,
there is a good chance you would be arrested and prosecuted if
you
opened the door to another persons dwelling which did not have a
lock installed, and installed a lock and left him/her the key,
simply because you entered their property without permission.
From
a ethics perspective, most people would judge you a good
Samaritan,
you helped someone else protect their property, however the law
doesn't see it that way, primarily because of the fact that, if
you
don't have permission to be there, chances are you are not
wanted
there, no matter what your intentions may be.

As far as hijacking bot nets, one who steals from a thief may be
a
thief, but one who stops one in the act is a hero. Bot nets are
always "in the act"...

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:00:47 -0400 T Biehn <tbiehn () gmail com>
wrote:
More people should hijack machines and push updates to them if
their
users are unable or unwilling.

First an Analogy:
If someone's letting money launders use their bank account to
launder
money out of INACTION that's still illegal, the same SHOULD be
true of
people who leave their systems unpatched.

These machines are negligently left open to be used in
'nefarious
criminal activity.'

Plan of Action:
It's your civic duty to write worms, hijack botnets and patch
machines
with or without user consent.
This is absolutely moral holding to the various tests (is it
self
defeating if -everyone- does it etc etc)
Just don't get caught doing it.

I'm disgusted by the imposition that you'd decry their actions
for
being illegal when they were clearly moral and represent a net
benefit
for society. Haven't you heard of this guy called Gandhi who
didn't
subscribe to the arbitrary superficial morality provided by the
word
of the law and only acted on what he knew to be moral?

It's time to elevate yourself out of your own mind-slime and
into
2009.
We all still have a long way to go.

-Travis

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Castigliola, Angelo
<ACastigliola () unum com> wrote:
Very unorthodox and unethical.



Angelo Castigliola III
EISRM - Application Security Architecture

Unum

acastigliola () unum com



Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own personal
opinions
and do not
represent my employer's view in any way.

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Of
James
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Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:10 AM
To: Ivan .
Cc: full-disclosure
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] BBC cybercrime probe backfires



I agree! Why can't another people hack into computers to
show.... This is
such BS and the BBC should be hit hard by what they did.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Ivan . <ivanhec () gmail com>
wrote:
The BBC hacked into 22,000 computers as part of an
investigation into
cybercrime but the move quickly backfired, with legal experts
claiming
the broadcaster broke the law and security gurus saying the
experiment
went too far.


http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/security/bbc-cybercrime-

probe-backfires/2009/03/13/1236447465056.html

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