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Re: The Cyber War Conspiracy
From: James Rankin <kz20fl () googlemail com>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:44:34 +0000

I don't know whether it is tragic, or tragi-comic, that N3tty has clearly
been sat around foaming at the mouth at the stark realization that he is
banned from this mailing list since January 2009, and conducting
ever-more-elaborate fantasies in his mind as to what is going on in the
world. Seriously, this guy needs to get a life, a job, or a Facebook
account, or something, because he is clearly well off the map.

If you're desperate, I can pay you to come and monitor my IronPort for me.
It's security-related, and it'll keep you from hanging around worrying about
contract killers.



2009/11/30 <full-disclosure () safe-mail net>

It is my understanding the "security industry" would like nothing better
than a cyber war to kick off, mass profit, mass employment, mass political
capital to hit "cyber security" into the main stream of society to strike at
the heart of the single mom and retired couple crowd.

Cyber War is a touchy subject if you ask any "security professional" they
don't like people saying straight out "cyber war is bullshit". They get
emotional about it, its as if they want it to happen. I see a build up
towards "Cyber War", the people in power such as Gadi Evron, he wants a
Cyber War its all he talks about. He was the first person to draw
conclusions out of fine air and were quick to blame the Russians for
Estonia, even though there was no evidence.

Just like 9/11, you knew it was an inside job because they announced within
24 hours they _knew_ it was Al-Qaeda even though they weren't able to stop
the attack if they knew so much about it.

Estonia turned out to be a kid in his bedroom with some bot net command &
control, not the actual work of a super power.

SANS want Cyber War, they asked the CIA to come to their SCADA conference
in 2008 to puke up a bunch of non-sense that Hackers had darkened cities,
infact the event never happened or took place it was shear propaganda,
misleading bullshit to build up the path for "Cyber War".

"No cyberwar yet, but soon, says firm" a headline says on Securityfocus---
This is a warning that something bad is about to happen. A cyber 9/11? The
security industry need cyber war, the hacker scene is falling flat before
our eyes there is no spectacular-event happened for a while, virus outbreaks
and worms just don't happen like they used to to keep "cyber security" in
high profile.

The pro-propaganda for "cyber security" is running out, the security
industry is crying out for a cyber 9/11 scale event and thats what scares

One of the first things Obama took seriously when he went into the White
House was Cyber Security, and remember the Marcus Sachs video even before
the election, you could hear it in his words, you could see it in his body
language, folks in power in cyber security want to get cyber security into
the main stream media. Marcus Sachs asked how can we put cyber security
infront of the media? Cyber security isn't something that is talked about in
the media, how can we put it infront of the media and the next
administration, he said.

I trust Marcus Sachs like I trust a convicted paedophile. People like Joel
Esler tried to defend him to me, how can you say such things about such a
nice guy. But isn't everyone a nice guy on the surface? It's not until you
really dig in and see the other side to a person and everyone has another
side to them.

If people like Marcus Sachs are advising Obama right now on cyber security,
be afraid very afraid. Remember this is the guy who has a picture of himself
shaking the hand of George W. Bush on his home page, and smiling about it.

Because I said all this stuff previously I was attacked on this list, got
banned by John Cartwright... there is a cover-up going on. My conclusions
aren't sharp but they were on the right course, and they didn't want to risk
the chance that I got something accurate, so they setup a bunch of aliases
on here to provoke me into "troll style", to get people to think I was just
an annoying twat and no value to this mailing list.

The same people tried to say I was some screwball etc, desperately trying
to get folks not to take anything I say seriously.

They even tried to say I was anti-sec, yes "Ureleet" alias, remember him?
He is to do with people who are involved with the people im accusing of
building up towards cyber war. He isn't a random person, he is involved and
scared that I or the British government might be onto them, they are running
scared. Even the slightest mention of MI5 / MI6 sent them running scared
that they have been rumbled and infiltrated by human assets.

I'm serious about cyber security im not a troll and never was, I do have a
vested interest in this stuff and I do want to collaborate or get hired with
British intelligence to burst this plot wide open and expose the people
involved in wanting a cyber 9/11.

So this email address will be banned, more sponsored aliases will come
along to make fun of n3td3v, post fake psychological profiles and the such
for the next 11 months?

This is people not trying to stop some kid called "n3td3v" this is a mass
campaign against me, from the early days of the Neal Krawetz and
Securityfocus effort to trash me, to the recent Ureleet and John Cartwright
trying to trash me.

Remember that jdl guy at the hushmail address who had the subject header
"impersonation is against the law", that was a subject header I had been
sending to John Cartwright to get something done about folks, then suddenly
the jdl alias comes onto the list with exactly the same header.

Coincidence? is it hell. John Cartwright is in on it, Ureleet is connected
to John Cartwright and there is a conspiracy to gag me because I was
touching home too many truths about the build up towards cyber war and the
people behind the plot for a cyber 9/11.

It's not kids in their bedrooms with the anti-n3td3v aliases, its these
guys in the suits conspiring to carry out a cyber 9/11.

The aliases against me, they aren't kids. They are grown men security
professionals, the same men who don't like being called out and can't even
use their real names in their campaign against me. I openly post with my
real name to criticize and still would be using my real name, accept it got
banned by John Cartwright, the guy who hides behind grok.org.uk and nobody
knows anything about, hiding in the shadows while banning anyone from this
list who remotely gets close to the political truth.

If you look back to January 2009 when "n3td3v" got banned it was exactly at
the point where I wasn't believing in cyber war. I am the only person to be
banned from this mailing list, you've got to ask yourself why. All I done
was "full disclosure" which is what this list is about, but the people in
power don't like it when its full disclosure of them not other people.

Like the Mossad and Funsec, they don't like that mentioned on full
disclosure. It's full disclosure of information, but because it involves
something not liked because it exposes them, then its not accepted.

You need to look into the real reasons n3td3v got banned and its nothing to
do with what you think is the reason of someone with no value to the mailing
list. Who dare say which disclosures are value and who's aren't.

So already you're seeing evidence this mailing list is corrupt and the
person running it panicking because his friends over at SANS and other
places are being exposed for their crave for cyber war and a cyber 9/11
event to take place.

Valdis isn't a random person either, hes proved hes pro-cyber war with a
vested interest against me saying any of this stuff.

Look at the people against me, then investigate their role in the ring of
power thats developing in the cyber security vaccum.

This is probably the last you'll see of the real n3td3v because there is
sure to be a contract killer out to silence me.

There have already been discreet warnings, like in the mp3 that was posted
by <vomithatsteve () yahoo com>, it said mi6 were going to kill me, they
actually ment U.S Intelligence, but put MI6 in its place just to screw with
British Intelligence even more.

And the warning by - o z - <osgo () hotmail com> and reposted by sahalderf
at ymail.com that said "Solutions:  There's a few, but I wouldn't want to
be responsible for the end result"

If I was just some kid troll, would any of this have gone on for so long?
How many years is it now? There will be no let down, there has been no
trolling apart from the times the sponsored aliases have frustrated me into
a flame to distract me from posting what I wanted to post that was hitting
the political truth too much.

There is more going on than you can see, this is a war at the moment of
words because there are vested interest groups out there wanting cyber war
to advance the security industry, while there are people like me who are
monitoring these guys and seeing their intentions and they don't like anyone
who is exposing them and me wanting to stop them from carrying out
cyber-war/terrorism to advance the security industry.

Expect more people impersonating me, signing as my real life name etc...
mock psycho analysis emails being post by people who are too cowardly to use
their real name, they aren't kids, they are the political elite trying to
make sure anything I say is trashed.

I am saving the world from the people who claim to be saving the world, but
how can they be saving the world if they are planning a cyber event to push
forward the advancement of the cyber security industry?

Cue all the sponsored aliases who are out to get me, by the time you read
this email address will already be banned.

Just listen to the State of the Internet 2009 panel podcast by SANS, they
got an audience to laugh out loud when they kept mentioning my n3td3v name,
the recording is available on the internet as a podcast, this isn't just
people annoyed about some kid on full-disclosure mailing list, this is part
of a sophisticated campaign against me which started in 2006.

This is unprecedented the amount of effort gone into trashing some apparent
kid called "n3td3v", if I was just some kid they wouldn't be going to the
lengths they have to trash me.

This mailing list is part of corruption, the corruption that is covering up
n3td3v and sweeping him under the carpet and throwing him away.

My last words to you is, don't let this matter rest, they have got rid of
n3td3v, but there are bound to be people who will investigate what im
saying, and I hope they do. Because my last request before I finish this
rant is, don't forget the things ive been talking about and continue to
investigate people while im gone.

This is serious the political elite are planning a cyber-event and it seems
nobody is out to stop it or being proactive about raising concern about it
apart from me.

I'm the only one ranting about this stuff, but why haven't we got more
people sounding the alarm the alarm that the build up is happening and there
is nothing to stop it.

I was banned in January, isn't it strange 11 months later the political
elite still have their sponsored aliases trying to run "n3td3v" completely
into the ground. They even impersonated my real name and a British
intelligence agency, and who's always been right behind anti-n3td3v aliases
as a back up reply? Yes Valdis, hes always there, always there to reply to
give support to them.

All I say is investigate whats going on against this so-called kid called
n3td3v, surely there is more to it than just trying to get me off a mailing
list cause of some "noise" excuse.

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