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Re: Apple ptrace panic PoC - R.I.P str0ke
From: Micheal Turner <wh1t3h4t3 () yahoo co uk>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:07:07 +0000 (GMT)

Did you and them get your degree from the same university of trolls?

I have mistaken nothing for nothing. Fuck you. 

--- On Thu, 5/11/09, frank^2 <frank2 () dc949 org> wrote:

From: frank^2 <frank2 () dc949 org>
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Apple ptrace panic PoC - R.I.P str0ke
To: "Micheal Turner" <wh1t3h4t3 () yahoo co uk>
Cc: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 12:50 AM
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:13 PM,
Micheal Turner <wh1t3h4t3 () yahoo co uk>
Its evil. Making people believe that someone is dead,
publicly, and placing obituaries online shows no regard for
the thoughts & feelings of the person being trolled or
the others who may read them.

In a community where whispers and hear-say can even
get SANS to look for an OpenSSH 0day "doing-the-rounds",
spreading 'misinformation' about a well-liked individual who
worked on a project for the community is unpleasant - making
out they are dead is just horrible.

There are people at the end of the computers. Don't
ever forget it.

This is kind of a silly tangent to be having an argument
about on this
list, so I'll try to make this my last comment on the

It may be a little semantic, but I feel you're confusing
with a lack of empathy. Evil implies that the intent behind
the prank
was to cause emotional harm. It's certainly detestable that
the prank
was based in making people assume that str0ke was dead, but
doubtful that the purpose of its spread was to cause harm.
I hate to
be That Guy That Explains The Joke, but I'm pretty sure the
was to mock the fact that a) str0ke has been quiet for a
long while
publicly and b) milw0rm hasn't been updated for a lengthy
period of
time for yet-to-be explained reasons. (I think v3n0m piped
in a while
back and said they were taking care of the backlog, but
that's about
all I remember.)

While the line between apathy towards others' emotions and
intent to
truly cause harm to one's emotions can be blurred, I don't
think it's
particularly fair to call the perpetrators of this prank
evil. "Evil"
is taking joy in the suffering of others. The intent of
trolling is to
get a specific reaction from a crafted falsehood or
comment-- it
doesn't necessarily follow that the expected reaction here
emotional harm. So given the circumstances, I feel it's
more accurate
to say they just simply didn't care.


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