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Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street
From: Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists () tx rr com>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:17:52 -0600
--On November 4, 2009 8:48:41 PM -0600 Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:42:37 CST, Paul Schmehl said:
You and millions of others love to conflate those issues with
warrantless surveillance of US citizens for the purpose of obtaining
evidence in a criminal investigation and then scream bloody murder
about warrantless surveillance and intrusions of our rights.
OK, so in your opinion we should sit back and accept the legal theory
that "I'm the President, and as Commander in Chief I can give orders
contrary to the usual 4th Amendment restrictions" (note carefully that
there was *NOT* an actual formal declaration of war made - Congress
merely authorized the use of force. Many constitutional law experts seem
to think this makes a difference).
The President doesn't need a declaration of war to conduct surveillance on
the enemies of the US, and foreign agents do not have any 4th amendment
rights. Only US citizens do. Your argument is akin to the stupidity that
insists that terrorists held in Guantanmo Bay have a Constitutional right
to counsel, a day in court, etc., etc., ad nauseum, ad infinitum. The
rest of the world laughs at such idiocy (not to mention never practices
So it is OK if as President, he decides to suspend habeus corpus?
Foreign agents don't have Constitutional rights. (Maybe if I repeat this
enough it will sink in.)
If it's *not* OK, how do you intend to complain once your corpus can't
be habeased any more?
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" -- Thomas Jefferson.
Eternal vigilance includes voting, taking the time to understand the
issues and your rights, and having enough good sense to realize that US
Constitutional rights do not apply to non-citizens. Unless you can
produce a single example of a US citizen who was charged with, indicted
and convicted of a crime based upon so-called illegal surveillance, your
argument is nothing more than hyperventilation over boogy men. Have the
black helicopters come yet?
In other words, the time to raise a fuss is *before* they go down the
slippery slope, not once they're 3/4 of the way down and in an
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and
carrying a cross." -- Sinclair Lewis, 1935
Well Marxism has come to America and millions are marching willingly into
slavery. The very idea that the government can force you to buy insurance
is so anathema to the Constitution that it's stunning anyone would
consider it, much less listen to Congresspersons stutter and stammer when
asked where in the Constitution the government is given the right to force
US citizens to buy anything.
Sinclair Lewis would approve, of course, because he too was a Marxist.
Marxists *want* people to be enslaved to the government.
And that's why we raise a fuss. You may wish to read Naomi Wolf's
"Fascist America in 10 easy steps":
And that's why we raise a fuss.
Mostly "we" raise a fuss because "we" are profoundly ignorant.
Paul Schmehl, If it isn't already
obvious, my opinions are my own
and not those of my employer.
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Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Chris (Nov 06)