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Re: SMS Banking
From: "Craig S. Wright" <craig.wright () Information-Defense com>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:41:03 +1100

I have a simple answer to this. Forget the debate, rhetoric is not a
scientific method of determining truth.

"Thor" wants a challenge, let's have one - a real one and not one based on
verbalisations, abuse and unfounded assertions.

I suggest two components;
1       A selection of software products are tested using both processes,
that is I use a model for the risk of these products, and "Thor" can make up
whatever guesses he wishes. We model (or "Thor" guesses, pulls from a
hat...) the vulnerabilities over a time period. The number of bugs in
software as well as the risk are to be presented as a monthly estimate. 

2       We model a few systems (say 50). We can use Honeypots (real systems
set to log all activity without interference) run by an independent party to
each of us. I use probabilistic models to calculate the risk. "Thor" does
whatever he wants.

Each of the predictions is published by all parties. The one who is most
accurate wins. Fairly simple?

I will even give a handicap to "Thor", I will offer to predict within a 95%
confidence interval and that for me to win, at least 90 of the 100 software
products and 45 of the 50 systems have to lie within my predicted range that
I calculate and release. "Thor" has to simply guess better than I do no
matter how far out he is.

I will put up $10,000 Au for my side. Let's see if "Thor" has something real
to offer.

Dr. Craig S Wright <http://gse-compliance.blogspot.com/>  GSE-Malware,
GSE-Compliance, LLM, & ...
Information Defense <http://www.information-defense.com/>  Pty Ltd

From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu [mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, 10 February 2010 7:03 AM
To: Thor (Hammer of God)
Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com; full-disclosure;
craig.wright () Information-Defense com
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

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On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:39:39 GMT, "Thor (Hammer of God)" said:
how about accepting a challenge to an open debate on the subject at

"Alright folks just make yourself at home, Have a snow cone and enjoy the
                                -- Webb Wilder

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