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Re: SMS Banking
From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <Thor () hammerofgod com>
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:39:50 +0000

Proved?  Maybe not... But I've certainly illustrated beyond reasonable doubt.  Given the circumstances, that seems like 
a term you are more than familiar with, so I'll use that.

AFAIC, this entire exchange has been worth it for a number of reasons - I'll highlight for those with a life, and I'll 
move on to engage in things that actually matter.  

1) You cannot predict the probability of exploitation because you cannot factor in human free will.  Period.
2) You cannot even define risk.  You have illustrated that you think that not only does risk="code vulnerabilities 
discovered" but that those figures somehow matter, and that you, or anyone else for that matter, can extrapolate 
meaningful conclusions from them.
3) You think that someone hacking into or not hacking into some individual system somewhere that you set up has 
anything whatsoever to do with a probability model.  
4) You think that a series of on-line degrees or certifications seems to mean you are actually "qualified" for 
anything, particularly when the qualifying body not only doesn't even bother offering the qualification anymore in 
2010, but has to tell you they don't have time for your silly games and not to spam their advisory board.  
5) You think that you are a master at digital forensics, and of compliance, yet you either couldn't keep a simple email 
account from being hacked as you claimed in court, or that, in the light of the same qualifications, you couldn't do 
something simple like clean up after yourself.  Either way, which ever story you want to stick to, it shows 
incompetence.

And finally, and most importantly, the one thing you can now never escape:

6) You cannot be trusted.  This entire business is about trust.  Let's forget about the sidestepping of logic to 
protect your ego.  The documents referenced show filing by The Supreme Court of NSW that you willfully ignored court 
orders, that you lied under oath, and that you purposefully submitted false evidence to the court - well, in my opinion 
based on what I read - you're the one with the law degree here (though it doesn't seem to have done much good, eh?).  
That in the wake of dozens of phone calls and uncounted emails, that you say were not made by you, and that someone 
else did it.  I'm hoping there was FAR more than $450 a month at stake to sell out your integrity.  But that's all the 
court filing references.  In the absence of honor, integrity, true qualification, and capability it now comes to light 
that you are not even trustworthy - not to me, anyway.  I'll leave it up to people like SANS and the other companies 
you work for to see if they are comfortable with ha
 ving a professional liar and self serving egoist on board.  But to me, nothing you ever say can be trusted.

I'll continue to contribute, however small or meaningless it may be to some, for free - because I actually CARE about 
what happens to other people.  I CARE about the security of my country, and the people in it.  Hell, I care about the 
security of other countries too.  That's why I spoke out against anyone who thinks they can deploy CIP systems on the 
back end of a calculator.   That's why I offered to debate openly, for free.  You wanted to get paid by the hour.  

I am done with you, sir.  I don't have to prove anything that has not already proved itself.  

Have a nice day, though.

T

P.S.  I have to ask - do you like fishsticks?




-----Original Message-----
From: Craig S Wright [mailto:craig.wright () information-defense com]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:17 AM
To: 'McGhee, Eddie'; Thor (Hammer of God); 'full-disclosure'
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

He proved nothing.

As for certs, I have Cisco, around 30 SANS ones, most of the others.

I also code in C, C++, ASM, Java and a few others.

You did not look too hard.

-----Original Message-----
From: McGhee, Eddie [mailto:Eddie.McGhee () ncr com]
Sent: Thursday, 11 February 2010 9:46 PM
To: Thor (Hammer of God); 'full-disclosure'
Cc: craig.wright () Information-Defense com
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

Going by his resume he has some basic networking/it skills, no decent
Cisco
certs, cant code.. He may be able to do maths but everyone knows you
cannot
predict how a vuln is going to appear with some number crunching.. And
with
his skill set.. Secured over 1600 networks, no wonder financial
institutes
get pwned so much these days if people like this goon is working for
them

I wouldn't waste any more time on this nub Thor, you have more than
proved
he is a douche.


-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On Behalf Of Thor
(Hammer
of God)
Sent: 11 February 2010 02:34
To: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu; 'full-disclosure'
Cc: craig.wright () Information-Defense com
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

Actually Valdis, it seems like all of this may be for naught.  It has
been
brought to my attention that drafting a contract with Dr. Wright
wouldn't be
in my best interest.  Apparently, he's known for not keeping to the
"spirit"
of contracts when money is concerned.

Now, if I were an ass, I might be tempted to publish the information
found
at
http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/scjudgments/2004nswsc.nsf/000000000000000
00000
000000000000/1c0f375d3250297dca256ef300196460?OpenDocument

but fortunately for the parties involved, I'm not.  Entering into a
contract
where willful misconduct and lying under oath may ensue is not my idea
of a
smart business move.  I'm not saying Dr. Wright did any of those
things,
(even though others have), I'm just saying that if one can't define
what
"product" means, then I doubt one can successfully define what
"probability
of compromise" means either.  Good money is on letting this one die as
it
lies (no pun intended).  So I must regretfully rescind my challenge, or
not
accept his, or whatever it was at this point.

Now, if I were REALLY as ass, I would point out something like though
Dr.
Wright has a degree in law, between him and his attorney, the best they
could come up with when emails were found on his system and phone calls
were
on his cell bill was the "it wasn't me" defense. But again, I won't
point
that out.  It would be just plain mean.

If I REALLY REALLY were an ass, I would further point out the irony of
a
master of digital forensics not being able to properly delete emails
from
his computer in the first place, or the rumor that AU has this thing
call
"krypshun," but I won't mention that either.  That would be both crass
and
insensitive of me.

'twer I an ass cubed, I would take this opportunity to reference a
Princess
Bride joke in regard to the source of iocane powder (that one's for
you,
Laura) but again, I'll suffer internally to protect the innocent.

So I'll bow out.  Craig, you win buddy.  While I may never know what
the
Magic Number the Improbability Engine might have produced (now that
Douglas
has passed on) at least I know that criteria one must meet in order to
be a
Security Hero.

Thanks for playing everyone.  Good luck, and good night!

t



-----Original Message-----
From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu [mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:17 PM
To: craig.wright () Information-Defense com
Cc: Thor (Hammer of God); 'full-disclosure'; pen-
test () securityfocus com; security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:02:43 +1100, "Craig S. Wright" said:
" Plain and simple.  Produce the contract, here, publically.  I'll
produce my $100,000 that you match, in escrow.  If the system gets
breached, any way I choose,

What happens if the system gets breached, but in a way not of your
choosing?

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