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Re: Two MSIE 6.0/7.0 NULL pointer crashes
From: Yigit Turgut <y.turgut () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:46:09 +0200

Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:25:11 +0100
From: Dan Kaminsky <dan () doxpara com>
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Two MSIE 6.0/7.0 NULL pointer crashes
To: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Cc: Full-disclosure <full-disclosure () lists grok org uk>
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On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:00 PM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:38:34 EST, James Matthews said:

Why doesn't microsoft throw some of it's weight behind Mozilla and ditch
forever. It doesn't suit their image.

Unfortunately, the PR doesn't work that way. ?Do you really want to be
an entire operating system from somebody who just admitted they can't
produce a workable browser with all their resources?

(Note this works differently in the Linux world, where the kernel crew
even pretend to write browsers, and the Firefox crew *just* does
browsers, and
somebody else *just* does OpenOffice, and distros (for the most part)
just worry
about integration issues, and everybody only claims to do their little

Seriously.  I mean, just look at Linux, Firefox, and OpenOffice.
Pristine code, not a single security vulnerability between them :)

Well, there are vulnerabilities in Linux, FF and OpenOffice but these are
not much covered in media compared to MS products.
One main reason for this is that unless it is in kernel or a default suid
application etc, -eventought it is open source- it will require significant
amount of skills (more than you need on win) to exploit these vulns for
beneficial purposes due to solid architecture of unix and variants.I am not
saying open-source folks are doing a bad job (actually I believe they rock)
but your comment leaves an impression like they have flawless quality of
code and this is the only reason there are less vulnerabilities in these

There are undisclosed vulnerabilities in  the latest kernel and also in
Firefox but they are *most likely* not used in criminal activities and etc -
which is keeping them low/medium profile (even if they go public,
statistical data)
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