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Re: Introducing TGP...
From: "Thor (Hammer Of God)" <thor () hammerofgod com>
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:05:00 -0700

I don't get it - in 5 years his iPhone will crack RSA2048 while  
listening to Iron Butterfly yet all the PCs in the world won't be able  
to handle AV.

It's evident that I should consult him, particularly when it comes to  
reccomending what "hash" I should use :D
T


On Jun 14, 2010, at 8:51 AM, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:21:37 BST, lsi said:
Ancient crypto?  You really have no effing clue, do you?

Whatever you use today, it will be ancient in 5 years.

PGP came out when? 1991.  Will be a quarter century old in 5 years.

AES came out when? Standardized in 2001 after a 5-year process by  
NIST.

OpenSSL finally made it to 1.0 this year after a 12 year stint at  
0.9.X (it
sat at 0.9.8 for 5 years).

Amazingly enough, they're all pretty much still going strong -  
mostly because
the crypto field moves pretty damned slowly.  The general philosophy  
in crypto
isn't "It will be ancient in 5 years", it's "we won't even trust it  
for live
deployment until good people have bashed it for a decade".

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:47:42 BST, lsi said:
Even if nobody finds a weakness in the algorithm you used, 5 years
from now I will probably have enough spare CPU to brute-force it
using my mobile phone....

Moore's Law doesn't move *that* fast.

What was the fastest commercially available processor in 2005? What  
is it
today?  What gain was there over the last 5 years, and is there  
reason to
expect the next 5 to be any different?

More to the point - most mobile phones use ARM processors to keep  
the power
consumption down.  As a result, they're a tad slower than what  
you'll find
in desktops and servers (hint - how well would your cell phone work  
if it
had to carrry around the heat sink a Core2 Duo needs?).

And what good drugs are you on that you think a cell phone processor  
5 years
from now will have the CPU power that current moby-cluster  
supercomputers
have?  (If we're on the verge of making those sort of advances, I  
want to
see what a Sony Playstation 4 can do in 2015. Yowza - holodeck  
time. ;)

Might be more cost-efficient to get to the holodeck using the drugs  
you're
on thought. ;)
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