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Re: full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole
From: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429 () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:16:17 +0100

Amusing more likely.

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:53 AM, McGhee, Eddie <Eddie.McGhee () ncr com> wrote:

Come on mate seriously its getting boring, if any serious security threats
are out there then drop the info and man up, stop with the bullshit of
making netdev a poor internet meme, because that's all it is..

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Subject: [Full-disclosure] full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole

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John Cartwright is perpetrating global conflict by censoring n3td3v's 0days
and commenting.
Opinion by Andrew Wallace. Published by a believer in free speech who knows
Andrew Wallace is an super spy expert. Luyk a jelly samwich amirite?

Is banning people from a mailing list a national security risk?

We haven't been on the mailing list since January 2009, although there have
been plenty of hackers trying to impersonate us.

For sure the impersonations are misleading, and we would like to ask, is
banning people from a mailing list a vulnerability?

Let's just say we haven't been able to release any information to the
public for over a year now.

We don't have anywhere we can post information.

Isn't it a security risk to ban one the biggest security & intelligence
groups in the UK from posting?

We think so, and why would you want to create a climate where there are
plenty n3td3v wanna be's posting to the mailing list, but no actual
intelligence on what we're upto, what we've been researching or anything
like that.

A security & intelligence group with over 6000 security professionals in
jobs around the world who make up the n3td3v group, banned from making
announcements relating to national security matters.

A whole year of no information getting out to the security industry about
the vulnerabilities in national security and other research that we've been
getting upto.

None of that has been post, its all been supressed.

By who? One man decided to risk security by banning one of the largest
security groups in the United Kingdom.

We were treated badly on the mailing list, it wasn't us in the wrong, we
only defended ourselves and the integrity of our group from people who were
obviously wanting an argument.

We aren't playing around, we are grown adults who are serious about
security & intelligence.

We were made out to be something that we weren't, its not nice to be
treated like that.

It's why the mailing list can't be taken seriously and poses a risk to
national security.

Because the people who do research security aren't able to post on the
mailing list.

And I don't know why more people haven't spoken out about an organisation
as big as n3td3v being banned from the mailing list, its a risk to national

We don't post our intelligence anywhere else apart from the mailing list
we've been banned from, and we don't give out any signals intelligence about
what we are getting upto, we're very careful about that.

The only opportunity to find out what the n3td3v security and intelligence
group were upto was being subscribed to the mailing list and reading our

Andrew is banned, and banned with that are the voices of over 6000 and more
researchers, security consultants and many others.

Is banning n3td3v from Full-disclosure mailing list a national security
issue? Of course it is.

National security has been at risk for over a year and will remain at
risk... because the information flow has been cut off.

Who will be to blame? One man who runs the mailing list, one man will need
to live with himself, his name is John Cartwright.

He has cut off a major security research and intelligence group on purpose,
I don't think he cares about national security.

Can he live with himself?

We've been sitting in our offices wondering this for over a year, we've
held security conferences with our members and other stuff and remain
frustrated that we've been cut off from communicating with the security

Yours faithfully,

n3td3v security
& intelligence group
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