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Re: full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole
From: "McGhee, Eddie" <Eddie.McGhee () ncr com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:03:19 -0500

Give yourself a break, schizoid. 

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From: intel unit [mailto:n3td4v () hush ai] 
Sent: 01 March 2010 14:53
To: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk; McGhee, Eddie
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole

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back off kid

"n3td3v" is trying to save lives here

yahoo messenger has 0days. now if gadi evron and the mossad were to get onto that, it wouldn't be a good thing, now 
would it?

On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:53:53 +0000 "McGhee, Eddie"
<Eddie.McGhee () ncr com> wrote:
Come on mate seriously its getting boring, if any serious security 
threats are out there then drop the info and man up, stop with the 
bullshit of making netdev a poor internet meme, because that's all it 
is..

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From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk [mailto:full- 
disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On Behalf Of intel unit
Sent: 01 March 2010 08:06
To: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
Subject: [Full-disclosure] full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole

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John Cartwright is perpetrating global conflict by censoring n3td3v's 
0days and commenting.
Opinion by Andrew Wallace. Published by a believer in free speech who 
knows Andrew Wallace is an super spy expert. Luyk a jelly samwich 
amirite?


Is banning people from a mailing list a national security risk?

We haven't been on the mailing list since January 2009, although there 
have been plenty of hackers trying to impersonate us.

For sure the impersonations are misleading, and we would like to ask, 
is banning people from a mailing list a vulnerability?

Let's just say we haven't been able to release any information to the 
public for over a year now.

We don't have anywhere we can post information.

Isn't it a security risk to ban one the biggest security & intelligence 
groups in the UK from posting?

We think so, and why would you want to create a climate where there are 
plenty n3td3v wanna be's posting to the mailing list, but no actual 
intelligence on what we're upto, what we've been researching or 
anything like that.

A security & intelligence group with over 6000 security professionals 
in jobs around the world who make up the n3td3v group, banned from 
making announcements relating to national security matters.

A whole year of no information getting out to the security industry 
about the vulnerabilities in national security and other research that 
we've been getting upto.

None of that has been post, its all been supressed.

By who? One man decided to risk security by banning one of the largest 
security groups in the United Kingdom.

We were treated badly on the mailing list, it wasn't us in the wrong, 
we only defended ourselves and the integrity of our group from people 
who were obviously wanting an argument.

We aren't playing around, we are grown adults who are serious about 
security & intelligence.

We were made out to be something that we weren't, its not nice to be 
treated like that.

It's why the mailing list can't be taken seriously and poses a risk to 
national security.

Because the people who do research security aren't able to post on the 
mailing list.

And I don't know why more people haven't spoken out about an 
organisation as big as n3td3v being banned from the mailing list, its a 
risk to national security.

We don't post our intelligence anywhere else apart from the mailing 
list we've been banned from, and we don't give out any signals 
intelligence about what we are getting upto, we're very careful about 
that.

The only opportunity to find out what the n3td3v security and 
intelligence group were upto was being subscribed to the mailing list 
and reading our emails.

Andrew is banned, and banned with that are the voices of over 6000 and 
more researchers, security consultants and many others.

Is banning n3td3v from Full-disclosure mailing list a national security 
issue? Of course it is.

National security has been at risk for over a year and will remain at 
risk... because the information flow has been cut off.

Who will be to blame? One man who runs the mailing list, one man will 
need to live with himself, his name is John Cartwright.

He has cut off a major security research and intelligence group on 
purpose, I don't think he cares about national security.

Can he live with himself?

We've been sitting in our offices wondering this for over a year, we've 
held security conferences with our members and other stuff and remain 
frustrated that we've been cut off from communicating with the security 
industry.

Yours faithfully,

n3td3v security
& intelligence group
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