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Re: Windows' future (reprise)
From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader () gmail com>
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 16:22:26 -0400

My main reason for claiming that Windows is inherently insecure is
because it's closed source.
As opposed to crowd sourcing, which some claim is inherently more
secure because more [uneducated] eyes review the source code? This is
along the lines of, 'Linux does not get viruses' argument. Give me a

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 4:06 PM, lsi <stuart () cyberdelix net> wrote:
Is that you, Bill?

I think you misunderstand.  9 months ago, I measured the growth rate
at 243%, using Symantec's stats.  9 months ago I posted that number
here, together with a prediction of this year's stats.  Recently, I
got this year's stats and compared them with that prediction.  I
found that this prediction was 75.4% accurate.  I am now reporting
those results back to the group.  And this is trolling how?

My point is that the prediction was not wildly wrong, and so that
leads me to wonder if anything else I said, 9 months ago, was also
not wildly wrong.

My main reason for claiming that Windows is inherently insecure is
because it's closed source.  However it's also because of the sloppy,
monolithic spaghetti code that Windows is made of.  If you're
claiming Windows is in fact inherently secure, I assume this means
you don't use AV on any of your Windows machines, and advise everyone
you know to uninstall it?

I never said migration would be free or easy.  That is why I am
posting this data here, because I see it as a vulnerability, a very
big vulnerability that many companies have not woken up to.  The very
fact that migration is hard, lengthy, and expensive, means that the
vulnerability is larger than ever.


On 15 May 2010 at 14:40, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote:

From:                   "Thor (Hammer of God)" <Thor () hammerofgod com>
To:                     "full-disclosure () lists grok org uk" <full-
disclosure () lists grok org uk>
Date sent:              Sat, 15 May 2010 14:40:29 +0000
Subject:                Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

I am constantly amazed at posts like this where you make yourself sound like some sort of statistical genius because 
you were "able to predict" that since last year was %243, that this year would be %243.  Wow.  Really?

And for the record, these claims of 'inherent insecurity' in Windows are simply ignorant.  If you are still running 
Windows 95 that's your problem.  Do a little research before post assertions based on 10 or 20 year old issues.

This smacks of the classic troll, where you say things like "nothing that Microsoft makes is secure and it never 
will be" and then go on to say how easy it is to migrate, and how it's free, with only a one off cost, and how to 
move off of .NET.

Obvious "predictions," ignorant assumptions, and a total lack of any true understanding of business computing.  Yep, 



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