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Re: Fwd: wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up
From: Christie Dudley <longobord () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:36:05 -0700

The problem with picking the bits that they think the world needs to know is
that is the point where editorialization happens.  It would be against the
spirit of providing a complete disclosure to trim back the data in any way.

C
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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] <
cal.leeming () simplicitymedialtd co uk> wrote:

You do raise a very good argument, especially the part about "security
through obscurity".

I don't know if Wikileaks have done a good thing or not, but rather than
release everything, they should have had someone analyse the documents, and
pick out the bits which they felt the public needed to know (anything
considered a scandal etc) .. We don't care about soldiers movements or
tactics, but an insurgent might... I see little reason why they'd need to
release all the documents, other than out of lazyness/insufficient staff to
review all the info..


On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:08 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:

On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:06:15 PDT, Jonathan Medina said:
I am in the military, currently in Iraq, and these Wikileaks posts
have hurt us more than people realize. It does two things, first, it
demonstrates our tactics and procedures which allow insurgents to
conduct more effective attacks against us,

I suspect that the insurgents already knew 90 to 95% of our tactics and
procedures simply by observing how we do things. After all, most of what
we do
can be easily learned by a good scout with a vantage point and a good pair
of
binoculars.  How far apart do we drive on a convoy?  Which armaments are
on the vehicles in front, at back?  Which directions do the lookouts on
the
first and last vehicles tend to look?  What formations do we use during
house-to-house searches?  These are all things that any competent
commander has to assume the other side knows because the other side
has good scouts and access to binoculars.  Think - how much do *we*
know about insurgent tactics even without Wikileaks posting the
insurgent playbook?

As a result, even 100% perfect knowledge of our tactics wouldn't
translate into all *that* big an increase in attack effectiveness, unless
hidden in that 5% is a "ventilation shaft that leads directly to the
reactor
core" flaw in our tactics ("Every 3rd Tuesday, we do XYZ and one very
small
bomb in the right place would set off a chain reaction of all the
munitions on
the base").

And if we have that sort of flaw in our tactics, maybe we should actually
fix them rather than depend on security through obscurity.

Just sayin'.

                                                                 and
second, the information
it provides to insurgents endangers our sources and the families of
sources that have provided us with valuable information. It also
provides a means of giving insurgents propaganda to use against us.

I believe the "endangers our sources" part has already been debunked
by the top leadership at the Pentagon.

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