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Re: Getting Off the Patch
From: Pete Herzog <lists () isecom org>
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:16:07 +0100
On 1/14/2011 9:25 AM, phocean wrote:
I don't understand this thread and what is new.
What is new is how we are trying to show patching as just one tactic
towards security and introducing an alternative which is just
controls. This increases stability and predictability by reducing
change control requirements while increasing efficiency by still
protecting the specific problem which has been patched in addition to
any new problems for which patches don't yet exist.
We all know it is rather hard to get protection from unknown threads,
and especially the unknow unknown. Competent administrator can try to
mitigate known unknown, eg common threats that may affect a software by
In that way, patching is not on the front of the protections, true, but
it doesn't mean you can filter 100% of the potential threats. No one can
We disagree. We find that that the right balance of operational
controls at each interactive point within a vector can provide
protection against 100% of the threats including unknown threats. The
process and knowledge required is detailed in the OSSTMM 3
And anyway, patching is always a must because it is there to correct an
error, the source of the problem and leave a few less chances to the
We disagree. Patches changes code which has already been operationally
and functionally tested. This requires additional testing for each
update and patch and that takes time, money, and other resources away
from other things. Therefore no wonder when operations scale upward,
the cost of security goes exponential. It's because of all the waste.
But this is so well known, at least I thought, that I wonder what is the
purpose of all of this.
The "well known" method has been failing for years and all new methods
based on previous assumptions keep failing as well. This is why we
researched the original assumptions in OSSTMM 3 and that some were
wrong only led to the creation of new methods that did not rely on
those old, wrong assumptions.
What is interesting is that people who do the same things and admit
that what they've been doing isn't working or isn't scaling continue
to do the things they know don't work. Change isn't always bad.
Pete Herzog - Managing Director - pete () isecom org
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