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Re: Getting Off the Patch
From: Roger Casteele <roger.casteele () yahoo com>
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:25:01 -0800 (PST)

Valdis,

The issue isn't respecting elders, it's the hubris of our generation who can't take advice from *anyone* else, unless 
it's a skinny kid who is "paletteable" and has an adams apple, smooth talker, etc.

People are truly autistic this generation - Overly self-absorbed; clumped corrupted brain tissue.

On that note Valdis, what's your story, what is your education?

Roger C
Cron Enterprises
Jacksonville, FL

--- On Fri, 1/14/11, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:

From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu>
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Getting Off the Patch
To: "phocean" <0x90 () phocean net>
Cc: "full-disclosure () lists grok org uk" <full-disclosure () lists grok org uk>, "Zach C" <fxchip () gmail com>, 
lists () isecom org
Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 3:00 PM

On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:25:51 +0100, phocean said:
But this is so well known, at least I thought, that I wonder what is the
purpose of all of this.

It's a symptom of our industry slowly getting older.  In the '70s and '80s,
pretty much everybody had 3-5 years experience, and almost nobody
had more than 10, because the field wasn't 10 years old.  Nobody looked
down on the newbies, because (a) they didn't stay newbies long because
there was only 3-4 years worth of stuff to learn and (b) the old-timers could
still remember being newbies themselves.

Now it's different - the guys who were here at the beginning are all old, gray,
and/or bald, and looking at retirement, and we have to start worrying about
the collective brain drain that will happen at that time.  Meanwhile, demand
is surging faster than truly qualified people can be supplied, so we're seeing
a lot of young hires who only know what they learned in an 18 month course
at ECPI or similar trade school.  In other words, we're at exactly the same
position when the great flood of McSE holders happened a few years back.

RFC1925 says: "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor
understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be
fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment
nor runs an operational network."  We've gotten to the point where a large
segment of the industry wasn't taught "patching doesn't work" in school, and
they have yet to experience it themselves out in the real world.


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