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Re: Getting Off the Patch
From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor () hammerofgod com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:49:22 +0000

No, I'm taking the position that "most people" are in fact solely relying
on patching because they are clueless and they wouldn't even be patching at
all if auto-update wasn't turned on. (And Cal caught on what I meant in his
reply - that there's two very disjoint communities).

And that changes the calculus of "best practices" - what's "best" at a shop
that has thousands of managed nodes and a staff of dozens of experienced
sysadmins is different from a shop that has dozens of machines and one
semi-clued guy with a McSE. (We'll leave home machines out of the equation
for now - it's safe to assume that *those* machines the operating system
has to take steps to protect itself, including auto-patching, because the
user won't do it).

My mistake then - I shouldn't have inferred your position from previous thread subject matter. 

And that's something I've noticed is lacking from much of the discussion -
the business case for deploying something.  Sure, something might well be
more secure, but unless the added security is worth more than the added
cost, time, and effort, it's actually a bad idea to deploy.

This is precisely what I asked for several times and never received.  When the idea was presented, it indicated a 
serious deficiency of any depth of knowledge just around security and engineering, not to mention the requirements for 
dev, legal and compliance.  Being the kind-hearted and generous type of person I am, I assumed that I was missing 
something, and that there would be an opportunity to review some sort of qualifying data.  There isn't any, so I 
reverted back to my original position. 

I don't always agree with your viewpoints, but I know that there is always merit to your position that I should take 
into account.  Not that you care or need my approval or agreement, but thanks for the clarification.


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