i dont know if you ever worked for a big corporate entity?
like kovacs wrote its not about whether you can do it or not as an
employee its more about if your manager allows you the time to do it
pentesting doesnt change anything on the profits excel sheet
we can agree it looks bad when shit happens but they usually dont
think that far ahead
i tried once reporting a very simple sql injection flaw to my manager
and including a proposed fix which would take all of 5 minutes to
18 months went by before that flaw was fixed because there was no
profits in allocating resources to fix it
and that webapp was the #1 money generator for that company
Den 12. jan. 2012 10.29 skrev Laurelai <laurelai () oneechan org
<mailto:laurelai () oneechan org>>:
On 1/12/12 3:27 AM, doc mombasa wrote:
just one question
why should they hire the "skiddies" if most of them only know how
to fire up sqlmap or whatever current app is hot right now?
doesnt really seem like enough reason to hire anyone
besides im not buying the whole "they do it because they are
angry at society" plop
ive been there.. they do it for the lulz
Den 11. jan. 2012 06.18 skrev Laurelai <laurelai () oneechan org
<mailto:laurelai () oneechan org>>:
On 1/10/12 10:18 PM, Byron Sonne wrote:
>> Don't piss off a talented adolescent with computer skills.
> Amen! I love me some stylin' pwnage :)
> Whether they were skiddies or actual hackers, it's still
> frightening to some) that companies who really should know
> fact, don't.
And again, if companies hired these people, most of whom come
disadvantaged backgrounds and are self taught they wouldn't
have as much
a reason to be angry anymore. Most of them feel like they
don't have any
real opportunities for a career and they are often right.
hired some kid who hacked their network, it is a safe bet he
to be causing any trouble anymore. Talking about the trust
would you trust more the person who has all the certs and
that told you your network was safe or the 14 year old who
wrong? We all know if that kid had approached microsoft with
in a responsible manner they would have outright ignored him,
this mailing list exists, because companies will ignore
until it bites them in the ass to save a buck.
People are way too obsessed with having certifications that don't
actually teach practical intrusion techniques. If a system is
that teenagers can take it down with minimal effort then
there is a
serious problem with the IT security industry. Think about it
has sql injection been around? There is absolutely no excuse
vulnerable to it. None what so ever. These kids are showing
truth about the state of security online and that is whats
afraid of them. They aren't writing 0 days every week, they
vulnerabilities that are publicly available. Using tools that are
publicly available, tools that were meant to be used by the
protecting the systems. Clearly the people in charge of
system aren't using these tools to scan their systems or else
have found the weaknesses first.
The fact that government organizations and large name
government contractors fall prey to these types of attacks
just goes to
show the level of hypocrisy inherent to the situation.
their solution to the problem is to just pass more and more
laws (as if that's going to stop them). These kids are
that the emperor has no clothes and that's whats making
they are putting someones paycheck in danger. Why don't we
problem by actually addressing the real problem and fixing
need to be fixed? Why not hire these kids with the time and
their hands to probe for these weaknesses on a large scale?
currently in the job slots to do this clearly aren't doing
it. I bet if
they started replacing these people with these kids it would
lethargy out of the rest of them and you would see a general
competence and security. Knowing that if you get your network
owned by a
teenager will not only get you fired, but replaced with said
one hell of an incentive to make sure you get it right.
Yes they would have to be taught additional skills to round
they know, but every job requires some level of training and
quite a few workplaces that will help their employees
education because it benefits the company to do so. This
would be no
different except that the employees would be younger, and
do tend to learn faster so it would likely take less time to
kids the needed skills to round out what they already know
than it would
to teach someone older the same thing. It is the same
teaching young children multiple languages, they learn them
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Because the ones in charge right now can't even seem to fire up
sqlmap now and then to see if they are vuln. And if you really
believe that they just do it for the lulz line...