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Re: VNC viewers: Clipboard of host automatically sent to remote machine
From: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429 () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:14:35 +0100

For the record...
who are the other 'many on this list' that know you don't troll other than
your alter egos?
'course you don't troll.... can you quote me where I ever said VNC is
secure?

With that, I'll let you troll in peace. I have no interest talking to you
anyway... :)



On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:04 PM, GloW - XD <doomxd () gmail com> wrote:

and stupidly, you forgot to addin the second PRIVT post i sent you,
saying i meant *insecure :)
now, go try tell me windows vnc is secure again...and, then setup a
vnc on your box, and, under win32, try your best, when your ready,
yell out, so i can make a compete fucking fool of ya.
ok ?
if this is how you want to play, i am challenging you, if i can own a
shitty windows setup you 'secure' as best you8 can, here on fd, is
this trolling is it ?
its a challenge... maybe, if you read the lame rfb and, pixelisation
via IP KVM, unfortunately for windows, it aint any different, a pixel
is placed at X or Y, and, you can place data calls to it, from server
wich, could be, my bot :)
want more proof,...keep going with my challenge then.


On 25 January 2012 21:38, Christian Sciberras <uuf6429 () gmail com> wrote:
No, I only read the manual.

Now go troll somwhere else. :)

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:35 AM, GloW - XD <doomxd () gmail com> wrote:

Windows is even more secure, have you actually, read any of the code /


On 25 January 2012 21:30, Christian Sciberras <uuf6429 () gmail com>
wrote:
That's not necessarily true. On windows you can add custom
clipboard formats
that would contain a 'link' to the original source, causing the data
to be
actually
passed when pasting. An example of this is when one copy+pastes a
file.
See the Windows Clipboard API for more info.

Chris.



On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Mario Vilas <mvilas () gmail com>
wrote:

I'm not sure how the clipboard works in Linux desktops (I understand
it's a little different), but at least in Windows environments data
has to be copied to the clipboard when you hit Ctrl-C. It can't be
copied when you hit Ctrl-V because then the applications wouldn't
know
if there is anything to paste (like you said, the button would be
grayed).

So to replicate this behavior it's necessary to send the data as it's
copied, not as it's pasted. Most (not all, but most) desktop systems
assume clipboard data can be freely shared with all applications and
don't have any kind of isolation at all. VNC was designed with the
same idea.

The bottom line is, the problem here is using VNC for what Ben is
using it. There are many more problems with that scenario and
clipboard sharing may be the least of them.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Peter Osterberg <j () vel nu> wrote:
On 01/24/2012 07:18 PM, Mario Vilas wrote:
Guys, could you please read carefully everything before you
reply?
I read carefully. It still didn't make sense, though.

And you wouldn't be allowed to use copy&paste while you edit
sensitive
documents either, I guess?
I don't know how you could get to such a conclusion from what I
wrote.

You're reporting that if you copy and paste sensitive information
and
connect to a VNC session your clipboard data gets sent to the
remote
machine. That's pretty obvious and not a security hole that needs
to
be plugged.

I don't think that is what Ben is saying. The clipboard get sent to
the
the server even before it is pasted, this happens without the user
knowing of it.

Notepad would have the paste button grayed otherwise, if the
clipboard
is empty, right? So it is already on the server before paste is
pressed.

So what ever was in the clipboard buffer is transmitted to the
server
on
connection.

This is at least the assumption I make from reading Ben's mails.
Or...
Is there a cliboard flag saying there is something on the
clipboard,
but
it isn't transmitted until the user actually pastes? I haven't
really
got any experience with how the clipboard feature is implemented.
My
assumption is however that it has to be on server for notepad to be
aware that Paste shouldn't be grayed out...

I think Ben's report make complete sense actually, it would be
better
to
have the clipboard feature as a default. Security before
features...
=)

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