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Re: TTY handling when executing code in lower-privileged context (su, virt containers)
From: Benji <me () b3nji com>
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:51:30 +0000

"This is why I find the standard security mantra of "disable root
logins and use su / sudo" to be extremely silly."

I think you've taken that far too literaly. My understanding of it is to
protect against a) brute force retardation b) dumb attackers. Noone said
it's supposed to completely protect uid=0. If you're seeing that as
"extremely silly" then you're interpreting the recommendation in the wrong
way.


On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Michal Zalewski <lcamtuf () coredump cx>wrote:

"Using su to execute commands as an untrusted user from an interactive
shell may allow the untrusted user to escalate privileges to the user
running the shell."

If you have the ability to execute code on that terminal before the
user executes su, it is also possible to simply never allow the real
su application to run until you've already captured the credentials and
escalated to root. For example, you could define an alias or
change PATH in the shell; ptrace the shell or use LD_PRELOAD to change
its semantics; or simply never return to the shell at all, and simply
fake all the subsequent interactions with it (not particularly hard to
do this in a convincing way).

This is why I find the standard security mantra of "disable root
logins and use su / sudo" to be extremely silly.

In general, very few OSes are designed to handle such scenarios gracefully.

/mz

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