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Re: Mavericks...less then a bargin?
From: Omar Benbouazza <bvomar () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:13:33 +0200

Jeff, trust in The Guardian :P

Regards,

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2013/10/28 Jeffrey Walton <noloader () gmail com>

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Joel Esler <joel.esler () me com> wrote:
Obviously they expect you to surrender the info in the sake of simplicity
and usefulness.

They swear the can't read your stuff:
http://www.apple.com/apples-commitment-to-customer-privacy/
:)

Their own legal department tells us they are not trustworthy. Who do
we believe: their legal department, or their press release?

Jeff


On Oct 28, 2013, at 03:30 PM, PuNkErX w <punk3rx () hotmail com> wrote:

I usually lurk the list but here's my take on it.  Using iCloud to sync
everything is stupid if you care about privacy.  Unless you don't mind
all
your info (especially now that you can sync the keychain....) being out
there.

As an old Apple "fanboy" Im disgusted but not surprised with the
direction
they went.  Thats why i got out of the Apple work when 10.7 dropped.

I host an old macbook with 10.6 server that has iCal and address book
services to sync stuff between 10.9 laptop, 10.6 laptop, iphone and ipad.
It works for what i need but obviously it isnt for everyone.

Im looking at other alternatives for all in one type deals but it seems
every "cloud" service pretty much sells your info in one shape way or
form.

So you dont need to use icloud at all but it appears you will need a
third
party server to sync stuff.  Yet another step back asswards for the
industry.





On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:43, silence_is_best () hushmail com wrote:

The functionality of syncing contacts/calendar is MISSING in
iTunes...gone...poof...Casper...out of luck....plug in your iDevice on
the
latest, then check it out...you can sync photos and music, but nothing
else...it's a bad scene.

On Monday, October 28, 2013 at 8:34 AM, "Joel Esler" <joel.esler () me com>
wrote:

What happens when you refuse to sign up for iCloud?

<sent from my iCloud account>

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Joel Esler


On Oct 28, 2013, at 08:09 AM, silence_is_best () hushmail com wrote:

A warning (disclosure) to you Apple people....if you're planning to sync
your shiny iDevice with Mavericks, you will be FORCED to use iCloud
(syncing
from your iDevice to your iPuter is now gone).  I suspect this is one of
the
reasons why Mavericks was a "free" upgrade.  Apple probably figured the
$40
they'd get from the sale of the OS is less then when they'd get with have
your calendar and your contacts within easy reach.  Per their policy:

What personal information we collect

When you create an Apple ID, register your products, apply for commercial
credit, purchase a product, download a software update, register for a
class
at an Apple Retail Store, or participate in an online survey, we may
collect
a variety of information, including your name, mailing address, phone
number, email address, contact preferences, and credit card information.

When you share your content with family and friends using Apple products,
send gift certificates and products, or invite others to join you on
Apple
forums, Apple may collect the information you provide about those people
such as name, mailing address, email address, and phone number.


How we use your personal information

The personal information we collect allows us to keep you posted on
Appleā€™s
latest product announcements, software updates, and upcoming events. It
also
helps us to improve our services, content, and advertising.


Nice not to have choices ;)
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