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Re: "Skills gap"?
From: John Bambenek <bambenek.infosec () gmail com>
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:24:29 -0600

Define "skills". There are plenty of jobs out there, but I live in Central IL and don't want to relocate. That pretty much takes most all of them off the table for me.

That said, I've been helping write/audit SANS certifications for awhile. I'm simply ineligible to take them (for what should be obvious reasons). I got real tired of submitting resumes and being told I need a GSEC/GCIH/et al. I'd respond with I wrote part of the question bank and some HR bean counter just didn't get it and insisted I needed the paper. I ended up taking the CISSP cold one weekend just to have something and even then I got tired of paying the annual ransom for letters that meant nothing.

j

On 11/24/12 6:44 PM, Kyle Creyts wrote:

I know a lot of people who recently joined the workforce in IT and infosec, and I know few enough who are happy or satisfied with their pay; part of the problem is the way paragon status has been conferred upon those with a trivial set of skills, a good break with the press, and sense of opportunism.

The role models for some of the younger entrants are very successful, but not very humble. Many have come to expect higher wages for some of these skills, with "possession of skills and experience" being defined by the individual and their evaluator rather than the industry as a whole, or even a majority. I am not defining a skillset when I say "skills in pen-testing" or "skills in data forensics" or "firewall management experience," though it would seem many people believe that these words seem to embody such a skillset.

It would seem that some standards (I know, it seems hard to keep standards current with the rapid evolution of knowledge in our field) would greatly aid in giving these people proper perspective. Knowing more about something than anyone you know doesn't necessarily make you an expert.

As an industry, we lack some authoritative reference points to help individuals understand where they stand in knowledge and experience. Admittedly, we work in a field where young authority seems somewhat commonplace. Perhaps this influences the perception of those new to the workforce, or even those who have been around a while?

But who am I to comment? I'm just another young guy, recently having entered the workforce...

On Nov 24, 2012 9:59 AM, "Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah" <rmslade () shaw ca <mailto:rmslade () shaw ca>> wrote:

    I see a lot of companies complaining that they can't get
    skilled/trained infosec
    people.

    I see a lot of experienced infosec people out of work.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/magazine/skills-dont-pay-the-bills.html

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