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Re: "Skills gap"?
From: John Bambenek <bambenek.infosec () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:10:54 -0600

I'm convinced that certifications have given us an army of IT workers that have letters but are utterly unqualified. And they get employed by the thousands.

Exhibit A: Web developers.

On the upside, unlimited job security for those of us who have to respond to incidents involving their lousy crap.

On 11/29/12 1:05 PM, Ballard, Sean (OS/ASA/OCIO/ITIO) (CTR) wrote:
The MCSE bootcamp craze of the late 1990's was crazy to, so many used car salesmen turned instant engineers.


-----Original Message-----
From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of John Bambenek
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:59 PM
To: funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: Re: [funsec] "Skills gap"?

FWIW, I was trolling my employer Ernst & Young about a decade ago about certifications so I took the CCNA one day after 
cramming a book.  Prior to the exam, I had never laid eyes on a cisco device, much less interacted with one.

Passed the test.

Anyone need a network engineer? :)

On 11/29/12 12:36 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote:
Yes, I actually built real networks. :-)

- ferg

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec)
<michael.blanchard () emc com> wrote:

Don't Cisco certs require you to perform a function on real
equipment?  Or did they remove that piece :-(

    The tester would "break" a network in such a complex manner that the testee would have to dig deep into their 
practical knowledge to make it work again... within the allotted time period...

   I always liked that as a valid "test" of knowledge actually...

Michael P. Blanchard
Senior Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE Office of
Information Security & Risk Management EMC ² Corporation
32 Coslin Drive
Southboro, MA 01772


-----Original Message-----
From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org
[mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of Paul Ferguson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:21 PM
To: Rich Kulawiec
Cc: funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: Re: [funsec] "Skills gap"?

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org> wrote:

Certifications are, in practice, crap.

Amen.

Short story: As an early Cisco engineer, I (and may other very
talented people) helped develop the original CCIE program. I wince
now when I hear people reference Cisco "certifications" because now,
they are absolutely meaningless.

Curmudgeonly yours,

- ferg


--
"Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
   fergdawgster(at)gmail.com
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