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Re: I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:34:53 -0500

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Steve Pirk <pirkster () gmail com> wrote:
The various Pirate Parties in Europe advocate using things like Liquid
Democracy, and there are some pretty serious discussions about things like
it going on in Google+.

Sai started an organization called "Make Your Laws" (makeyourlaws.org). The
idea is; you participate, you vote, and you make your laws. it is worth
taking a look at.

Here is a link to the Google+ community called Liquid Democracy. It is where
most of the Make Your Laws discussion takes place.
I'm actually waiting to see how this goes:

This should give us a good indication of how much power we (the
people) are given or allowed to have. Or how much power we need to
seize back from the oppressors in the oligarchy


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Stephanie Daugherty <sdaugherty () gmail com>

I've seen calls for direct democracy as a replacement for representative
government. There is a serious danger in that, and that is tyranny of a
majority. Look at Uganda's recent "kill the gays" bill - can we really be
sure that even something as malicious as that couldn't pass here with Faux
News cheerleading it on?

Whatever may take the place of congress in the future, we do have to be
mindful of the "dark side" of democracy - I mean, even in our own history we
once thought slavery and alcohol prohibition were good ideas...

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Jeffrey Walton <noloader () gmail com> wrote:

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Dan White <dwhite () olp net> wrote:
On 02/04/13 17:10 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

Don't be hesitant of starting over. Creationist should appreciate the
biblical theme - nearly all ancient societies talk about the great
flood. Chrisitianity turned it into Noah and the Ark. It should appeal
to Evolutionist too. The fall of the dinosaurs led to the rise of the

Starting over at times is righteous and natural.

Starting over, without fixing the processes that got us here is just
to lead to the same result. Rapid incremental change (to legal code) is
going to make the difference, but that's going to require a change in
representational government works - as in cutting the representatives
Funny you should bring that up :)

I was not sure if I was being naive or optomisitic (when I question
myself). Here, I hope the new group who would take their place would
have fortitude, courage, and some sense of equity, morals and justice;
and they would not travel in the same sewers.
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