Security Incidents: Re: spoofed packets to RFC 1918 addresses

[Barry Irwin <bvi () itouchlabs com>]

Hiall

sadly in my experiance very few ISP's implement any kind of ingress
filtering, hoting centers in particular are rife with rfc1918 addresses
connecting all over the place, but I have even seen this on dialup lines.
If there was widespread use of iingress/egress filtering we would probably
see a decrease in some forms of attack such as certain types of Do.  Of
course this comes at the added cost of the routers needing to proccess each
and every packet through the filters, which may lead to an adverse impact on
performance.

slightly off topic  but still worth remembereing.  Back on topic one should
always stick filters on therouter connecting you, or in the case of a
hosting center see what you can do wrt negotiating filtering as part of your
hosting contract.

Barry


On Thu 2002-06-27 (10:53), Kent Hundley wrote:
> However, if the packets have a destination address in the RFC1918 space, I
> think you can conclude that they are in fact originating from the segment on
> the outside of your firewall.  Unless something is seriously fubar'd on your
> router _and_ your upstream ISP's router, there's no way short of source
> routing to have packets with destination addresses in those ranges get to
> your network from the Internet.
>
> I would suspect either a misconfiguration of something on the outside of
> your firewall or a compromise of something on the outside of your firewall.
> Probably time to do some investigating of whatever devices you have on the
> outside.  I'd also start looking at the source MAC of the packets and see
> what ports on your switch are seeing that source MAC.
>
> HTH,
> Kent
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dirk Koopman [mailto:djk () tobit co uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:49 AM
> To: Incidents Mailing List
> Subject: spoofed packets to RFC 1918 addresses
>
>
> There seems to be a "tool" about, which is somehow able to
> detect valid rfc1918 addresses behind a NATed firewall and is spoofing
> from addresses using random (usually non-existant) addresses from the
> class C on the internet side of that firewall.
>
> It isn't doing them any good as the packets are being dumped before they
> get to the 'visible' class C (as I am making sure that packets from that
> class C emanate only from the interface attached to that class C).
>
> However, I am interested to know:
>
> a) how the attackers are able to "guess" correct (ie existing) rfc1918
> addresses as, AFAIK, these are not being leaked thru the firewall.
>
> b) how these packets are getting to me in the first place as they don't
> seem to be source routed.
>
> c) which "tool" is doing this anyway.
>
> Regards
>
> Dirk Koopman
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Barry Irwin             bvi () itouchlabs com                   +27214875177
Systems Administrator: Networks And Security
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