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From: Dave Farber <farber () cis upenn edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:12:17 -0500

I could not agree more with Declan. Parents are responsible to punish such speech NOT arbitrary application of school 
administrators. They the school, are notorious for ignoring the Bill of Rights and even the law. For example in Penn 
there is no requirement for school children to recite the pledge of allegiance  if they object to it, yet school 
authorities to my personal knowledge (a number of years ago) still pressured and pushed a person to do so even when the 
law said something else.  

ps the ACLU has several pamphlets in states giving school rights (at least on  paper)

To: "Larry Andrew" <LLAndrew () powersurge net>
From: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>

Seems to me that what the kids did was offensive, but parents should be the
ones to punish them. If we allow school administrators to punish kids for
what they do and say when at home, we open the door to a more unpleasant
situation than a few nasty words on a web page.


At 12:19 AM 12-30-98 -0600, Larry Andrew wrote:
If MY kids tried to put up a page using language like this, they would have
been in considerably more trouble than the school could ever hope to give

On the other hand,  it sounds like these kids are describing the White
House, or perhaps the federal government as a whole.  Why should their high
school be any different?  Consider the supposed role-models in Wahington
D.C. - why should our children think they or anyone else have any need to
follow a higher moral code (forget about ethics!!) than do our country's

Are there really parents who condone that sort of language from their
teenage children?  Are these kids' parents some of the same ones who
complain that the US educational system is not giving their children a
decent education?  Well, just who is supposed to give those children a
"decent upbringing"?

Perhaps, living in the Iowa outback, I just don't hear what goes on in the
real world....  :)  But I do hope that my children learn to express
themselves better than this.  (Yes, I agree, only time will tell.)

I may agree/disagree with any number of issues on free speech, but this
strikes me as abusive.
Lawrence L. Andrew

LLAndrew () powersurge net

A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have
  evolved from a simpler system that worked just fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>
To: politech () vorlon mit edu <politech () vorlon mit edu>
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 6:30 PM
Subject: FC: Text of student criticism of high school

This is the text of the personal web page that got the kid in trouble. It
not surprise you to learn that he has not put it back online, though the
allowed him to do it. My article:


Brittney & Brandon's Kick Ass Home Page!!

Hello friends, Welcome to our website.  Please excuse it, we're new at
this, so
it's not very good.  Please check out some of our links and feel free to
us on suggestion of how to make it better.

We live in Marble Hill, Missouri and go to Woodland High School.  We have
friends on the net and if your one of them, or not, make yourself at home.

Please visit our FUCKED UP High School, "Home of the fucked up faculty
from HELL!"  Don't forget to e-mail our asshole principal and tell Delma
that her page sucks dick.

Why our school is fucked up, you ask?
Well, where do I start...let me see...number one, the students are treated
they are lower than dirt, and are constantly reminded of this.  If one of
faculty members do something which can be upheld by the court, a new rule
up in the school policy.  No one knows where it came from, but it seems as
it^Rs been there for ages.  Then they send the people who it affected
letters!!  What a bunch of shit!!  Well, I guess you don't want to know the
whole story (I sure wouldn't), so I guess that is enough about that!

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