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Re: NSF and the Birth of the Internet
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:11:28 -0400

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From: "Michael Slavitch" <slavitch () gmail com>
Date: August 19, 2008 10:20:21 AM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] Re:      NSF and the Birth of the Internet
Reply-To: slavitch () gmail com

I was at a seminar in the early 1990's put on by a CERN researcher named Tim Berners-Lee. HTTP was at such an early stage that the demonstration required someone's borrowed NeXT workstation and the core group that remained could sit at a table for eight at a Malaysian restaurant. The original group was somewhat larger. Sadly a C level of a then major telecoms vendor was there and demanded to know if http was an ISO standard. Tim Berners-Lee of course said "no" in the rather obvious and dismissive tone.

That C-level then stood up and angrily said "well, in that case I am most definitely not interested!" and stormed out. Considering that 2/3rds of the people there either worked for him (or as grad students, wanted to) the audience became quite small, and that major vendor became wilfully obstinate as a matter of policy. It blocked http access for its employees. It ignored the impact and the potential for the rest of the decade until that C was fired along with nearly all the staff that attended and left that seminar. It remains a hollow shell.

TBL indeed considered HTTP an open standards based response to the atrocious and restrictive Gopher protocol. He did what so many people at CERN do, when confronted with a restrictive inferior particle annihilate it with the biggest blast possible. As a consequence he also destroyed several companies who were so intent on comfortably fighting their well ordered 100 year war that they refused to even consider a sliver of change.

Michael Slavitch
Ottawa Ontario Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:45:51
To: ip<ip () v2 listbox com>
Subject: [IP] Re:      NSF and the Birth of the Internet

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From: Robert Alberti <alberti () sanction net>
Date: August 19, 2008 9:34:17 AM EDT
To: Jim Thompson <jim () netgate com>, dave () farber net
Cc: Steve Goldstein <steve.goldstein () cox net>, DeWayne Townsend <d-town () tc umn edu

Subject: Re: [IP] Re:      NSF and the Birth of the Internet
Reply-To: alberti () sanction net

Gopher provided access to the first search engines, and the first
abstraction of Internet content away from the machines upon which data
was stored. In other words, Gopher was the first system that allowed you
to search for things on the Internet before you actually knew where they
were. You didn't have to know the address of anything in advance of
using a Gopher client. It can be argued that this accelerated the rate
at which subsequent tools such as Mosaic were developed.

While I don't have records here in front of me, Gopher traffic across
the NSF backbone was not surpassed by HTML traffic across that backbone
until late 1993, early 1994 IIRC.

Gopher was a bridging technology for the time when modem speeds (which
was how many folks were connected) were at about 19,200 baud. The
average Gopher directory was 1,500 bytes in length.  The average HTML
page with its images was 15,000 bytes at that time. At 19,200 baud and
below, users did not accept multimedia pages (text and images) because
transmissions speeds were too low.  When modem speeds jumped to 56K
baud, HTML popularity increased because it was now feasible to get a
mixed-media page delivered in a timely fashion.

Gopher introduced (and suffered for so doing) the concept of software
licensing to the Internet. Nowadays the Internet is SO commercialized
that it can be hard to remember that in 1993 most domain names ended
in .EDU or .MIL. Domain names that ended in .COM were considered crass.
Commercial use of the Internet was anathema to many, who insisted that
since it was developed with public resources it should always be free
and open. However, supporting Gopher was quickly consuming all of the
resources of the tiny University of Minnesota department to which I and
my colleagues belonged. It was our (undoubtedly clumsily handled)
suggestion that Gopher software be commercially licensed that caused
many of its users to abandon Gopher for the Web, which was in any case
growing quickly in popularity.

Finally, during the brief Gopher era, our team was visited by exactly
ONE sitting U.S. Senator, a man who has been unfairly derided in
political circles under the completely false accusation that he claimed
to have invented the Internet. In 1991, while his present detractors
were then attempting to make the jump from rotary to touch tone dialing,
Senator Al Gore visited the Gopher developers as part of his work on the
US High Performance Computing Act.

Some interesting links:


-Bob Alberti
RFC 1436

On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 01:22 -1000, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Aug 19, 2008, at 1:02 AM, David Farber wrote:

Also the word "gopher" appears nowhere in the timeline, although
for a
couple of years it WAS the Internet...

No, it wasn't.

I can get behind the idea that email was the Internet for a number of

But while gopher and WAIS were popular for a brief period of time
before NCSA shipped Mosaic and supported the IMG tag in HTML over
HTTP, they were
never responsible for anywhere near as much communication as email, to
say nothing of things like USENET / NNTP.


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