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iPhone "Bugging" (was: Re: Apple retroactively removing apps from your iphone/ipod touch when they are removed from the App Store)
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:47:02 -0700


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From: Lauren Weinstein [lauren () vortex com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:10 PM
To: David Farber
Cc: lauren () vortex com
Subject: iPhone "Bugging" (was: Re: [IP] Apple retroactively removing apps from your iphone/ipod touch when they are 
removed from the App Store)

Dave,

This brings up an iPhone issue that I've had bouncing around for some
time.  I've had a number of people ask me if the high level of remote
programmability apparent in the iPhone makes the device particularly
vulnerable to the types of "embedded" cell phone bugging techniques
I described back in:

http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000213.html

I've had to answer that I simply didn't know -- I don't have enough
details about the iPhone system architecture to render a solid
judgment about this.

But in light of the stories floating around, I'd be very interested
in the opinions of any iPhone systems experts on this topic.

Thanks.

--Lauren--
Lauren Weinstein
lauren () vortex com or lauren () pfir org
Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800
http://www.pfir.org/lauren
Co-Founder, PFIR
   - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org
Co-Founder, NNSquad
   - Network Neutrality Squad - http://www.nnsquad.org
Founder, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com
Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com

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From: Sam Posten [sposten () gmail com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:24 PM
To: David Farber
Subject: Apple retroactively removing apps from your iphone/ipod touch when they are removed from the App Store

Professor Farber, I have learned of an interesting twist to the Apple iPhone App Store that I havent seen discussed 
widely and I think many IP readers may no
t be aware of, I know I wasnt aware of it myself.

According to Terry White, who runs a technology enthusiast web site, when Apple removes an app from the App Store, 
the next time you sync iTunes will automat
ically remove that application from any iPhones or iPod Touches you have it installed on!   Even if you paid for it.  
Even if it is by all accounts legal.  E
ven if it has no chance of harming other users or the telecommunications infrastructure.  And it does this without 
significant warning.

http://terrywhite.com/techblog/?p=753

The context of this story is framed around Netshare, an application that seems legal EXCEPT where it comes to the 
terms of use of your AT&T TOS.  I am not an
 AT&T subscriber and am not subject to their TOS.  While I did not buy Netshare and had no plans to do so, it is 
conceivable that users like me might use a s
imilar application to have an iPod tethered to a laptop to have this device act as a kind of rudimentary firewall, 
and I'm sure a lot of IP readers who are m
uch more saavy about this could come up with a lot more interesting uses.  Regardless, it is very disturbing that 
Apple could do this to my device without my
 permission.  Suppose Apple all of a sudden determined that they did not want to support explicit podcasts or songs 
any more, wouldnt their be a huge outcry
if all of a sudden they started removing these bits off of our devices?  It's a terribly slippery slope and if we 
allow these vendors to take these liberties
 with OUR property there is no telling how far they will push this capability.

Sam


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