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Re: That 5 gigabit cap is pulled back
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:35:09 -0700

I STRONGLY agree with Bob djf


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From: Bob Frankston [Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:56 PM
To: David Farber; 'ip'
Cc: 'Dave Burstein'; 'Lauren Weinstein'
Subject: RE: [IP] That 5 gigabit cap is pulled back

Why is a byte cap on local traffic fair? What am I consuming and why shouldn't I be able to watch 24x7 video streams 
from a local school or community event or from my neighbor?  How is that different from a byte cap for the traffic 
within my home? Remember when some carriers wanted to sell home networking as an added value service?

I realize that pricing is an art and you have to allocate costs. This is why a restaurant bundles the cost of space in 
the price of a sandwich.

But we are talking about our fundamental ability to communicate within our community – there better be a very good 
reason for imposing limits on our ability to speak using assets that are easily paid for and have low operating costs 
which aren’t closely tied to traffic.

Remember these are the very same assets that run 24x7 gigabit streams of the carriers’ bits in broadcast mode. What a 
waste!



-----Original Message-----
From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 19:54
To: ip
Subject: [IP] That 5 gigabit cap is pulled back





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From: Dave Burstein [daveb () dslprime com]

Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:00 PM

To: David Farber

Subject: That 5 gigabit cap is pulled back



Dave



Frontier tells me this they are not imposing a cap, and will have a notice up shortly that makes clear they will not 
cut off anyone, even if they use over 100 gigabytes.  Brigid Smith of Frontier tells me they are reviewing their terms 
of service, but definitely will not be imposing such a cap or shutting off people for their usage.



I believe they have backed off because of the publicity, including this list, DSL Reports, and GigaOm. Last Wednesday, 
they officially confirmed they would have a 5 gigabyte limit.



This is a good result.  More battles are likely, because charging per bit/caps are fair if they are reasonable, like 
Comcast's suggested 250 gigabytes. That should go up to 500 gig in 3 or 4 years, as Moore's Law brings bandwidth costs 
down, enough for most to have a choice to watch the TV they want over the net. Bandwidth is cheap, but not free.



    Frontier's 5 gigabyte, 2 HD movie caps is not reasonable. Time Warner's 40 gigabyte cap is also unreasonable, based 
on everything I know about bandwidth costs and the economics of cable data. It represents less than an hour a day of 
TV, now that most American homes have or will soon buy HD.



   I already see lobbyists try to twist "Metering is fair if it's reasonable" to "All metering is fair, even if it's so 
low it prevents you from watching video and has no basis in cost?"  I confirmed today with Verizon they have no need 
for bandwidth caps, and hope Verizon and Comcast will inspire others not to prevent me from watching much of my TV over 
the net.

db









I believe the coming battle will be over whether







based on the actual cost to a large company

db





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