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Re: McCain answers Scientists & Engineers for America's questionaire
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:45:35 -0400



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From: John Bartas <jbartas () speakeasy net>
Date: September 15, 2008 8:33:44 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] Re: McCain answers Scientists & Engineers for America's questionaire

Dave - a reply to Rahul:

On the contrary, I was struck by the substantial difference between the two answers to question 1. To summarize (anonymizing per Rahul's request):

Campaign FOO would stoke the innovation pipeline by funding pure research and more STEM education (grants, scholarships, student loans, more K-12 science, etc).

Campaign BAR would provide tax breaks and pools of capital to motivate businesses to innovate, essentially trying to pull more out of the existing innovation pipeline.

  Each approach makes a basic assumption about innovation.

FOO assumes that education will boost innovation, that higher education will produce more breakthrough discoveries.

BAR assumes that financial rewards motivate invention - that scientists and engineers will invent more if tax if the tax and investment climate is favorable.

My personal experience favors FOO. The scientists I know, mostly silicon valley types but also aerospace and chemistry, did get solid education before they contributed. But these folks didn't worry much about tax rates and capital pools - they had their ideas first and thought about productizing them as an afterthought, if at all. The BAR approach seems to assume innovations continue apace even if we fail to educate young scientists.

The BAR idea holds that greed is more important to innovation than intelligence. But how often does someone say "Wow I just thought up a killer invention! But I'm going to wait until taxes go down before I productize it."

Cheers,
-JB-


David Farber wrote:


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From: Rahul Tongia <tongia () cmu edu>
Date: September 15, 2008 2:22:45 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] Re: McCain answers Scientists & Engineers for America's questionaire

Dave,

I have a suggestion.

Can someone please reproduce the answers in an anonymous form, without the red or blue, and where the order of answer varies randomly (so that things like "as a former navy officer" don't give everything away)? [I don't have the skills/time/both?]

If I read it in that manner, I find that many of the answers are surprisingly "similar" but perhaps just statements not reflective of action (though some answers had more substance). If they are both saying similar things (candidates always say things like smarter, efficient, governance, never more, bloated government), then this boils down to our ability to trust whether they truly *understand* and *believe* the underlying issues, and whether they will take specific actions and policies to achieve the goals.

Rahul

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Rahul Tongia, Ph.D.
Senior Systems Scientist

Program in Computation, Organizations, and Society (COS)
School of Computer Science (ISR) /
Dept. of Engineering & Public Policy

Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213 USA
tel: 412-268-5619
fax: 412-268-2338
email: tongia () cmu edu
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rtongia




David Farber wrote:


Begin forwarded message:

From: "Malin, Bradley A" <b.malin () Vanderbilt Edu>
Date: September 15, 2008 12:04:33 PM EDT
To: <dave () farber net>
Subject: RE: [IP] McCain answers Scientists & Engineers for America's questionaire

Dave,

This link appears to be dead.  I believe that the following is live:

http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php?id=44

Also, to put McCain's answers in context, there's a side-by-side comparison
with Barack Obama response to the questionnaire:

http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php?id=42

Regards,

-brad


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From: Robert J Berger <rberger () ibd com>
Date: September 15, 2008 11:10:18 AM EDT


Dear SEA Member,
As a member of SEA, you are among the first to know. Senator McCain
has answered our coalition's Innovation & the Elections questionnaire.

Now that Senators McCain and Obama have answered, you can comparewhat
they have both said.

Thanks to Science Debate 2008, the coalition, and all the SEA members
who supported the project. Together, we are making science and
technology a top issue in 2008!


McCain's answers:
http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=10132004&msgid=126787&act=2TL
T&c=212224&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fsharp.sefora.org %2Fpeople%2
Fpresidential-candidates%2Fjohn-mccain-presidential-candidate%2F

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