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Latest Posts

ASR9K xml agent vs netconf Jeremy (Aug 01)
Hi There!

I'm currently working on writing some automation around the ASR9K platform
and I've been looking at both the netconf and xml interfaces. Anyone have
experience with either?

It looks like the XML interface is much more feature rich, supporting both
config and operational state objects where netconf is limited to config
only.

Currently I'm leaning towards the xml interface, but netconf would come
with the appeal of using...

BGP Update Report cidr-report (Aug 01)
BGP Update Report
Interval: 12-Jul-14 -to- 19-Jul-14 (7 days)
Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072

TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS
Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name
1 - AS12858 93683 3.5% 5510.8 -- MYNET A.S.,TR
2 - AS9829 75620 2.8% 53.7 -- BSNL-NIB National Internet Backbone,IN
3 - AS14287 48903 1.8% 8150.5 -- TRIAD-TELECOM - Triad Telecom, Inc.,US
4 - AS1659...

The Cidr Report cidr-report (Aug 01)
This report has been generated at Fri Aug 1 21:13:59 2014 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.

Check http://www.cidr-report.org/2.0 for a current version of this report.

Recent Table History
Date Prefixes CIDR Agg
25-07-14 508935 285928
26-07-14 508775 286040
27-07-14 508959 286213...

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Scott Helms (Aug 01)
Even in those cases where there isn't a layer 3 operator nor a chance for a
viable resale of layer 1/2 services.

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Joly MacFie (Aug 01)
A few years back Fred Goldstein proposed defining a Layer 1 infrastructure
provider as a "LoopCo", where the local loop is passively provided to
service providers to light it as they see fit. He even wrote draft
legislation, where the incumbent LEC is divided into a "Facilities Entity"
and a "Services Entity":

http://www.ionary.com/separationbillproposal.htm

That proposal generally requires something like a CLEC...

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Leo Bicknell (Aug 01)
[snip]

Owen has some really good points here, but may be overstating his case
a smidge.

If a private company is the Layer 1 (“lines provider”) entity, there will
always be a temptation into moving up the stack, and up the value chain.
The issue in his first example is that the companies involved compete
for higher layer services.

Municipalities can be different. It’s possible to write into law that
they can offer L1 and L2 services, but...

Re: Carrier Grade NAT Shawn L (Aug 01)
Slightly off-topic but what are people using as a cpe device in a
dual-stack scenario like this?

Weekly Routing Table Report Routing Analysis Role Account (Aug 01)
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Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Aug 01)
So we'll assume we could get 4 for 22k to make the arithmetic easy, and that means if we can put 44 people on that,
that the MRC cost is 500 dollars a month for a gigabit. That is clearly not consumer pricing. Was consumer pricing the
assertion?

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Owen DeLong (Aug 01)
Today, somewhere around $6,000 or more depending on provider, location, etc.

That’s with IP transit included.

Owen

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Aug 01)
What is the MRC of a 10GE port?

Re: Carrier Grade NAT Lee Howard (Aug 01)
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6056 documents a security concern with bulk
port assignments.

Lee

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Owen DeLong (Aug 01)
As I said, for an example of just how well such an environment works, one need look no further than what happened when
MCI attempted to use Pacific Bell/SBC/AT&T unbundled copper pairs to provide local telephone service.

In reality, this turns out to be horrible for the customer, unpleasant at best for the competitive service provider,
and one of the few areas where I’ve ever seen a traditional telco be truly innovative. Pacific...

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Corey Touchet (Aug 01)
Not really, the law can say must provide standards compliant access for
interconnections with a agreed upon base set of features it must support.
Any provider that wants something extra can negotiate the reasonable costs
of implementation.

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Owen DeLong (Aug 01)
The problem with this is it allows the lines provider to dictate
the technology to be used by all higher-layer service providers.

IMHO, this is undesirable, because it blocks innovation and
service differentiation on this basis.

Ideally, the lines provider is simply a lines provider and provides
a number of dark fiber pairs between the serving wire center (what
you called a CO) and each premise served by the SWC.

Termination at the customer...

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