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Re: CIX doing registries?? Just say no!
From: "Bob Collet" <rcollet () sprint net>
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 07:55:00 -0500

 As I mentioned at the nanog conference, I would very much like to 
have registries where we _pay_ for the registration services; the 
idea being that paying for the service will result in much better 
service. I also mentioned that I would like such registries to 
be non-for-profit, and that I would rather CIX stay the hell away 
from registries. 
 
Why am I against CIX? Registries delegate authority over two 
different kinds of things: domain names and IP addresses [and AS 
numbers too]. 
The former have almost no value prior to registration, the latter 
have value wether or not they are being used. Either way NICs perform 
the service of the delegating authority over domain names and IP 
addresses; what they don't do is evaluate the market value of the 
domain names and IP addresses they hand out, and _that_ is what I worry 
an outfit like CIX might be tempted to do. It wouldn't be too bad if 
we had to pay market prices for IP addresses and domain names, but 
CIX might not have to pay market prices for the right to 
delegate authority either; I don't want to see a huge scam here... 
 

In the old White Paper we were proposing that any surplus funds go to places 
like ISOC/IETF.  Surplus funds, that is surplus over cost of operations, would 
me minimzed by a board of some type.  I am sorry you feel we'd scam you.  In 
any case, the White Paper did its job by acting as a catalyst for further 
movement with the result being Paul and Jerry's Internet registration Tool Set 
proposal. 


How would CIX determine the fees that we're to pay them for 
their registration services?? In response to their members' questions 
as to what they (the members) would get [for their fees being spent 
on this project] that non-CIX-members woudln't, Paul and Jerry 
mumbled something about a two-tiered service pricing scheme where 
CIX members would get lower fees. Am I the only one bothered by this? 
 


I think they might have been referring to the tool set.

And _what_ is CIX going to give _who_ in exchange for the 
right/responsibility of delegating authority over the Class C space 
lying at 207.*.*.* and beyond?? And what would they then charge for 
the service of assigning these to ISP's [and whoever else]?? 
 
Mind you, I don't want to see IP address space auctions like 
the electromagnetic spectrum auctions the FCC has been carrying out... 
I think that careful delegation, will give us enough time to get to 
the point where the older IP assignments can be redone (i.e. when 
people renumber) or to when IPv6 can be deployed (which opens up a 
whole new wonderful can of worms. My proposal is that a 
non-for-profit organization free of conflicting interests (like 
the members vs. 
non-members problem CIX has) take over the InterNIC's 
registry responsibilities. 

In the old White paper the goal was for the CIX to simply act as a clearing 
house where the actual registries that customers would deal with operate at 
ISP level.  Therefore, I fail to see the conflict of interest.  In any case, 
as described above, the immediate problem is with the current state of support 
tools, and that is where we think we should be focusing our attention.  Any 
advise on this matter would be appreciated.  The bottom line is to do what's 
right and what's needed for the ISP community.

Thanks

Bob Collet
Preident, CIX


 
Which would be the best forum to discuss these matters? 
 
Nick 
 



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