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Re: CIX doing registries?? Just say no!
From: "Bob Collet" <rcollet () sprint net>
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 07:55:00 -0500
As I mentioned at the nanog conference, I would very much like to
have registries where we _pay_ for the registration services; the
idea being that paying for the service will result in much better
service. I also mentioned that I would like such registries to
be non-for-profit, and that I would rather CIX stay the hell away
Why am I against CIX? Registries delegate authority over two
different kinds of things: domain names and IP addresses [and AS
The former have almost no value prior to registration, the latter
have value wether or not they are being used. Either way NICs perform
the service of the delegating authority over domain names and IP
addresses; what they don't do is evaluate the market value of the
domain names and IP addresses they hand out, and _that_ is what I worry
an outfit like CIX might be tempted to do. It wouldn't be too bad if
we had to pay market prices for IP addresses and domain names, but
CIX might not have to pay market prices for the right to
delegate authority either; I don't want to see a huge scam here...
In the old White Paper we were proposing that any surplus funds go to places
like ISOC/IETF. Surplus funds, that is surplus over cost of operations, would
me minimzed by a board of some type. I am sorry you feel we'd scam you. In
any case, the White Paper did its job by acting as a catalyst for further
movement with the result being Paul and Jerry's Internet registration Tool Set
How would CIX determine the fees that we're to pay them for
their registration services?? In response to their members' questions
as to what they (the members) would get [for their fees being spent
on this project] that non-CIX-members woudln't, Paul and Jerry
mumbled something about a two-tiered service pricing scheme where
CIX members would get lower fees. Am I the only one bothered by this?
I think they might have been referring to the tool set.
And _what_ is CIX going to give _who_ in exchange for the
right/responsibility of delegating authority over the Class C space
lying at 207.*.*.* and beyond?? And what would they then charge for
the service of assigning these to ISP's [and whoever else]??
Mind you, I don't want to see IP address space auctions like
the electromagnetic spectrum auctions the FCC has been carrying out...
I think that careful delegation, will give us enough time to get to
the point where the older IP assignments can be redone (i.e. when
people renumber) or to when IPv6 can be deployed (which opens up a
whole new wonderful can of worms. My proposal is that a
non-for-profit organization free of conflicting interests (like
the members vs.
non-members problem CIX has) take over the InterNIC's
In the old White paper the goal was for the CIX to simply act as a clearing
house where the actual registries that customers would deal with operate at
ISP level. Therefore, I fail to see the conflict of interest. In any case,
as described above, the immediate problem is with the current state of support
tools, and that is where we think we should be focusing our attention. Any
advise on this matter would be appreciated. The bottom line is to do what's
right and what's needed for the ISP community.
Which would be the best forum to discuss these matters?