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Re: [NANOG] Bay Networks in bed with commie censors?
From: Craig Nordin <cnordin () vni net>
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 09:04:18 -0500 (EST)



When a sysop from world.std.com gets his network peed on by a spammer
this list was full of a bunch of people who did not even think the
discussion belonged here.  But when we are talking about politics,
the folk want to discuss it as if they are going to do something about
censorship in China.

Why not just say that PRC will do whatever it does, whatever
NANOG discusses and that NANOG will never get in the way.

Is the China issue more attractive -- or maybe just further away?

If you will not do anything about the issue, why not have this discussion
leave the list as well then?

Cheers!



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On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:08:39 -0800, avg () pluris com writes:

Ronald Barron Yokubaitis <rony () texas net> wrote:

MMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmm...........Do the same considerations apply to
BUYING from the PRC?

Please.  The original speech was not about trade with PRC which
is unquestionably good and desireable; but about cooperation
with an organization whose _proclaimed_ goal is to build a
politically censored version of Internet, and make uncensored
networks completely illegal in PRC.

You seem to be contradicting yourself. On one hand, you say that trade
with the PRC is "unquestionably good and desireable". But on the other
hand you condemn Bay Networks for selling products and technical
services to the PRC (as you should know, "partner" is marketing-puke
speak for "they are giving us LOTS of money, so let's make them feel
special").

If selling products and support to organizations that construct
censored networks shouldn't we condemn BOTH Bay Networks and Cisco for
selling to U.S. corporations that use firewalls and other methods to
control/monitor employee's access to the Internet?


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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 22:59:03 -0600
From: "Jeffrey C. Ollie" <jeff () ollie clive ia us>
In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:08:39 PST."
             <199701190308.TAA02340 () quest pluris com> 
Subject: Re: [NANOG] Bay Networks in bed with commie censors? 
To: nanog () merit edu

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Craig Nordin -- cnordin () vni net  Virtual Networks  http://www.vni.net

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