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Re: Fwd: #127669/2 (1site) appl:A site in Germany reports routing proble...
From: "Timothy M. Lyons" <tlyons () rocketmail com>
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:27:12 -0700 (PDT)


---John Hawkinson <jhawk () bbnplanet com> wrote:

[note I cc'd nanog () bbnplanet com not nanog () merit edu]

This was NOT appropriate.

I left Planet 2 months ago so please don't tell me what is appropriate.


THe thread should never have happened on NANOG.
The conclusion within the ticket is INACCURATE AND WRONG.

Where would you suggest I post a reply to a NANOG question.... Also,
if you folks can't properly diagnose an issue on your own network,
that's not my problem.


You should probably not quote confidential work tickets from a
non-BBN
email address.

The updates were sent to me as I forwarded the original complaint to
ops () bbnplanet com so there is no confidentiality issue.


Worst of all, your lines exceeded 80 columns. Please get in line.

.....awww why even bother...It's nice to see Planet has nothing better
to do than complain about message formatting though - must be nice.  I
just don't have the time to reformat every message that I forward, or
even worry about it to be honest.

In the interest of fairness, my next post will be the closing
resolution for this ticket as Planet sees it. 

--Tim


--jhawk

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Subject: Fwd: #127669/2 (1site) appl:A site in Germany reports
routing proble...
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---Internet Operations Center <ops () bbnplanet com> wrote:

Ticket Number: 127669                 Ticket Status:   open
Ticket Type:   unplanned/e2e          Scope/Source:   
1site/email
Ticket Owner:  na/na                  Ticket Opener:   pbrown
Ticket Opened: 07-15-1997 14:32 GMT   Problem Started: 07-15-1997
14:32 GMT

Svc/Site ID #: 178044
Svc/Site Name: appl

Original Description:

    A site in Germany reports routing problems resulting in
difficulties
    reaching www.apple.com.

  Coming from either 194.97.200.30  or 195.254.23.1  and going to
  www.apple.com traces seem to be delayed around paloalto. 
Winfried
Haug from
  the source reports their AS is 5549 and the first Net is
announces
as a /16
  from their former upstream,  they have 194.97.192.0/18.  The 
second block
  has no super-route, but is splitted between themselves and
another
ISP, they
  have 195.254.0.0/17.  Traces attached.

***Note #2     07-15-1997 15:30:58 GMT    Author: tpruneau

    Appears to be a problem in UUNet

  Winfried
  
  The hop where your trace showed a jump in time is a link
between
UUNet and BBN
  
  > > 13  C128.bbnplanet.net (137.39.250.14)  244.497 ms 
205.937 ms
  > 184.169 ms
  > > 14  * * *
  > > 15  * paloalto-br2.bbnplanet.net (4.0.1.10)  2755.807 ms *
  
  137.39.250.14 is actually on the UUNet router (bbn has no
control
over that
  router)
  
  I checked the stats for the  link between those two routers for
the last 24
  hours and it is fine
                   pkt/   bytes    kbits              util %    
   
   drops 
         discards       errors
                     sec    /pkt     /sec   avg     max    95th 
  %
  95th   
   %     95th     %    95th
      rcvd: 3005.3  366.6   8814.9   5.69  13.68   7.47   0.00  
0.00   0.00  
  0.00   0.00   0.00
      sent: 1583.7  380.9   4826.3   3.11  13.93   4.93   0.00  
0.00   0.00  
  0.00   0.00   0.00
  
  
  I did a ping test accross that link and it is also fine
  
  paloalto-br2/su-b#pingTarget IP address: 4.0.1.37
  Repeat count [5]: 1000
  Datagram size [100]: 1500
  Sending 1000, 1500-byte ICMP Echoes to 4.0.1.37, timeout is 2
seconds:
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  Success rate is 100 percent (1000/1000), round-trip
min/avg/max =
1/2/112 ms
  
  
  Tracing back to you appears to show loss at the london link
  paloalto-br2/su-b#trace 194.97.200.22
   
  Type escape sequence to abort.
  Tracing the route to Pfullingen2.seicom.net (194.97.200.22)
   
    1 paloalto-br1.bbnplanet.net (4.0.1.37) 4 msec 0 msec 4 msec
    2 paix.bbnplanet.net (4.0.1.58) 904 msec 116 msec 16 msec
    3 br1.pao1.alter.net (198.32.176.2) 12 msec 44 msec 40 msec
    4 431.atm10-0.cr1.pao1.alter.net (137.39.13.142) [AS 701] 36
msec 40 msec
  56 msec
  >>>>  5  *  * 
      197.Hssi4-0.BR1.LND1.Alter.Net (137.39.71.138) [AS 701]
2576
msec
    6 Fddi5-0.CR2.LND1.Alter.Net (146.188.30.226) [AS 702] 2580
msec
2564 msec
  2588 msec
    7  * 
      367.Hssi5-0.CR2.FFT1.Alter.Net (146.188.3.85) [AS 702] 2644
msec 2616 msec
    8 Fddi0-0.GW1.FFT1.Alter.Net (146.188.31.227) [AS 702] 2712
msec
2648 msec
  2624 msec
    9  * 
      TopNet-gw.customer.ALTER.NET (146.188.128.22) [AS 702] 2676
msec * 
   10 frankfurt.topnet.de (194.97.110.186) [AS 5539] 2724 msec * 
2656 msec
   11  * 
      Frankfurt.seicom.NET (194.97.192.41) [AS 5549] 2688 msec
2720
msec
   12  *  * 
      Frankfurt.seicom.NET (194.97.193.6) [AS 5549] 2660 msec
   13 Stuttgart.seicom.NET (194.97.193.9) [AS 5549] 2724 msec
2660
msec 2864
  msec
   14 Pfullingen.seicom.NET (194.97.192.249) [AS 5549] 2744 msec
2736 msec
  2684 msec
  
  
  
  I recomend you take this up with your ISP and have them persue
the
issue
  with UUNet



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