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Routing vs Switching (was Re: Another UUNET Explanation)
From: smd () clock org (Sean M. Doran)
Date: 02 Jul 1997 01:49:25 -0400
Alex Rubenstein <alex () nac net> writes:
Ummm.. Maybe you are missing my point. Those of us that do not have
bottomless pockets to pay for a "EVERY ROUTET HAS A CONNECTION TO EVERY
OTHER ROUTER (VIA PPP -- added by me).
Hmmm... a router that is connected to every other router
via PPP has precisely the same problems as a router
connected to every other router by PVCs using some kind of
If I had bottomless pockets I would still design a
maximally hierarchical network. Some routers would be
connected to long-haul point-to-point circuits. Other
routers would talk either via some sort of LAN thing or
if money were no object, probably via POSIP.
The idea would be to create a tree-like fan-out from the
"backbone" routers (the ones with the long-haul circuits)
to the "customer aggregation" routers, aggregating traffic
and reachability information upwards from many customers
towards a set of crunchy boxes with relatively few (but
very fat) interfaces.
The idea is to conserve the amount of work any given
router has to do with respect to convergence, since that's
a poorly-scalable hot-spot.
In the past the hot-spot may have been the amount of
traffic through a box, such that so few fat interfaces
could be used that it was economically compelling to move
that particular load into some sort of L2 switch and take
the lumps wrt inherent routing scalability problems and
the lack of conservation of configuration effort.
Since there are existence proofs that this hot spot is now
no longer economically insurmountable, and some much
crunchier boxes are on the near horizon, the argument for
using smart L2 fabrics at all is becoming weaker.
I never said it was the catch all / fix all. But, it is cheaper, and n our
environment, works well and affordably. Backhoes can only do so much
damage, and that is why one has backup ISDN or some
ISDN does a lousy job of backing up 140Mbps worth of
However, as I said in another message, I buy the argument
that tariffs and vendor pricing (particularly cost/port
for low-speed interfaces, modulo things like the CT-3
card) make fast-packet L2 fabrics attractive.
What I don't understand is the "why route when you can
switch?" assertion, and I'd love someone to explain it to
me in simple terms.
In a high scale network (like BlueBlue Net), they have
several DS3 Frame Relay trunks leaving each PoP, so that
dismisses the backhow bit also.
Something has to do the converging when the underlying
physical topology changes, no?
Sean. (out-of-touch former network hack)
Sean Doran <smd () ab use net>
"Boy, you obviously don't have a clue!" -- Chad Skidmore, Datasource L.L.C.
Re: Another UUNET Explanation Nathan Stratton (Jul 02)
Re: Another UUNET Explanation Ehud Gavron (Jul 02)
Re: Another UUNET Explanation Martin J. Hannigan (Jul 02)
Re: Another UUNET Explanation Steve Mansfield (Jul 02)
Re: Another UUNET Explanation jprovo (Jul 02)
RE: Another UUNET Explanation Chad Skidmore (Jul 02)