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Re: Nameserver madness
From: Ray Davis <ray () carpe net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:24:41 +0200

Ok folks, this has gone way too far.

First and foremost, let me clear a few points up.

1)    I never supported Eugene's antics or his piracy (nor cache
      poisoning) which he engaged in.

2)    We updated our BIND versions on ALL our nameservers, including the
      two listed below, within a few hours of his games beginning, so that
      we would NOT distribute or load bad data.

3)    We *DO* run a completely separate faction of enhanced DNS, known as
      eDNS.  This has NOTHING to do with Mr. Kaspuereff or his antics.  

4)    Our nameservers were not "polluted", nor will they be in the future.
      We are running BIND 8.1.1 which prevents this from happening.

5)    We do not, never did, and won't support the kinds of games which
      Eugene pulled.  I disagree *vehemently* with the IAHC and iPOC, and
      believe their process is both improper and possibly illegal.
      Nonetheless, that you believe someone is breaking the law and
      all boundaries of ethics does *NOT* entitle you to go and do the
      same in "retaliation".  Two wrongs do NOT make a right.

6)    Your blocking of the IP addresses is *NOT* effective.  Eugene's
      stunt was not quite as simple as you might think; he was
      deliberately hitting nameservers with recursive requests to force
      them to load his data.  You would have to isolate yourself ENTIRELY
      to be completely free of the problem through your method.  The
      PROPER fix is to load the newer BIND code which doesn't suffer from
      the weakness which was being exploited.

MCSNet will take immediate and strong retaliatory action against *ANY*
ISP which blockades our network in this fashion.  It is one thing to
block packets from our network for something which we have in fact done.
It is quite another to do so based on "guilt by association" and flat-out
untruths.

It is my hope that you will reconsider this insanity, and drop the filters
in 192.160.127.x.  We are *NOT* your enemies, but we can become them if you
insist on it.

A prompt response is appreciated and expected.

Karl,

I never said anything about your politics or association with
Kashpureff.  But it also isn't as simple as you and Paul seem to
think (i.e. upgrade to a new bind).

The fact remains that one or more of your nameservers are being
pointed to by the alternic root.  I know that talking with Kashpureff's
nameservers may pollute my nameservers or one of my customers
nameservers.  If his nameservers are pointing to your nameservers
then there is a high likelihood that his nameservers have been talking
to your nameservers.  I have no control over your nameservers and
have no way of being absolutely sure they are not polluted.  At the
moment I do not have time to build and install N binds on N machines
and even if I did, it would not help my customers who may not even
know *how* to upgrade to a new bind.  So if keeping my net from
speaking to Kashpureff's nameservers and the known quantity that his
nameservers talk to reduces the risk to my and my customer's nameservers,
then so be it.

This seems like a logical and reasonable approach to me and is the
quickest thing I could think of to limit our risk.  If you have a
better solution, then I'm all ears.

We are not your enemy either, but it is not our fault you picked
Kashpureff to do business with previously.  Maybe you should get him
to quit pointing to your IPs?  You never know when he'll uncover the
next bug that effects the latest bind releases.  Who knows - maybe
it will only effect the latest bind and everyone with a supposedly
"fixed" nameserver will be dead in the water.

As for blocking your net:  I'm blocking the specific IPs - not your
whole net.  I'm not impressed by your threats either.  We have the
right to allow or disallow whatever we want within our net.

Cheers,
Ray

Sincerely,

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Following is the text of a message on the NANOG list , from Ray Davis
[ray () carpe net]

Why not just block all his garbage NSes and the fantasy NSes he's pointing
to?  A quick scan of 'dig 
@nyc.alternic.net . axfr' reveals the entries I've enclosed at the bottom. 
The unique IPs in this list are below and we've blocked them all at our
border so none of out NSes can get polluted by them.  Why not do the same?
Cheers,
Ray
===== Unique set of IPs from the alternic fantasy tld list ====
151.189.0.25
192.160.127.125
192.160.127.90
193.0.0.193
194.106.36.1
194.72.236.3
194.97.200.20
198.199.168.92
198.80.71.68
198.80.71.70
199.166.24.1
199.181.164.1
199.181.164.2
202.185.231.4
202.185.254.12
204.182.105.150
204.199.0.2
204.199.0.3
204.80.125.130
204.80.125.145
204.94.42.1
204.94.42.2
204.94.42.5
204.94.43.1
205.184.14.8
205.206.189.3
205.215.60.5
205.215.60.6
206.117.26.219
206.117.26.220
206.25.132.30
206.71.77.2
206.71.77.4
207.107.232.3
207.174.25.15
207.180.91.9
207.32.128.1
207.32.128.131
207.51.48.15
207.51.48.5
207.51.48.8
208.1.127.6
208.133.32.70
208.139.0.16
208.139.0.26
208.195.108.10
208.195.108.9
====

===== Output from 'dig @nyc.alternic.net . axfr' with valid TLDs edited out
==
    86400   SOA     MX.ALTERNIC.NET. ROOT.MX.ALTERNIC.NET. (
                    1997072123      ; serial
                    10800   ; refresh (3 hours)
                    900     ; retry (15 mins)
                    604800  ; expire (7 days)
                    86400 ) ; minimum (1 day)
    518400  NS      NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.    86400   A       207.51.48.15
    518400  NS      IPERDOME.PER.
IPERDOME.PER.        604800  A       208.133.32.70
    518400  NS      EEK.HTTPD.COM.
EEK.HTTPD.COM.       86400   A       204.182.105.150
    518400  NS      MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
MX.ALTERNIC.NET.     86400   A       204.94.42.1
A.   172000  NS      NS3.TRIVALLEY.COM.
I.   172000  NS      NS3.TRIVALLEY.COM.
NS3.TRIVALLEY.COM                       206.25.132.30
DIR. 172000  NS      SKYSCAPE.NET.
SKYSCAPE.NET.        172000  A       207.107.232.3
DIR. 172000  NS      FASTLANE.CA.
FASTLANE.CA. 172000  A       205.206.189.3
INC. 172000  NS      NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET.
NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET.   172000  A       207.51.48.5
INC. 172000  NS      NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET.
NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET.   172000  A       207.51.48.8
PORNO.       518000  NS      MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
MX.ALTERNIC.NET.     86400   A       204.94.42.1
PORNO.       518000  NS      NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.    86400   A       207.51.48.15
PORNO.       518000  NS      ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.        86400   A       204.94.42.2
PORNO.       518000  NS      EEK.HTTPD.COM.
EEK.HTTPD.COM.       86400   A       204.182.105.150
PORNO.       518000  NS      IPERDOME.PER.
IPERDOME.PER.        604800  A       208.133.32.70
PORNO.       518000  NS      NS1.BELFAIR.NET.
NS1.BELFAIR.NET.     86400   A       204.94.43.1
PORNO.       518000  NS      CLUBLOVE.XXX.
CLUBLOVE.XXX.        386400  A       208.139.0.16
PORNO.       518000  NS      PENTHOUSELIVE.XXX.
PENTHOUSELIVE.XXX.   186400  A       208.139.0.26
USVI.        172000  NS      NS1.USVI.NET.
NS1.USVI.NET.        172000  A       204.199.0.2
USVI.        172000  NS      NS2.USVI.NET.
NS2.USVI.NET.        172000  A       204.199.0.3
TLD. 172000  NS      DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       198.199.168.92
TLD. 172000  NS      NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  15228   A       207.180.91.9
TLD. 172000  NS      NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       208.195.108.9
NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       208.195.108.10
FILM.        172000  NS      SKYSCAPE.NET.
SKYSCAPE.NET.        172000  A       207.107.232.3
FILM.        172000  NS      FASTLANE.CA.
FASTLANE.CA. 172000  A       205.206.189.3
DOT. 172000  NS      LONEPEAK.VII.COM.
LONEPEAK.VII.COM.    172000  A       206.71.77.2
DOT. 172000  NS      OLYMPUS.VII.COM.
OLYMPUS.VII.COM.     172000  A       206.71.77.4
GMBH.        86400   NS      ns.germany.net.
ns.germany.net.      172000  A       151.189.0.25
GMBH.        86400   NS      ns.seicom.net.
ns.seicom.net.       172000  A       194.97.200.20
NUM. 172000  NS      NS1.NUM.NET.
NS1.NUM.NET. 172000  A       205.215.60.5
NUM. 172000  NS      NS2.NUM.NET.
NS2.NUM.NET. 172000  A       205.215.60.6
888. 172000  NS      NS1.VRX.NET.
NS1.VRX.NET. 172000  A       199.166.24.1
XXX. 518000  NS      MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
MX.ALTERNIC.NET.     86400   A       204.94.42.1
XXX. 518000  NS      NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.    86400   A       207.51.48.15
XXX. 518000  NS      ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.        86400   A       204.94.42.2
XXX. 518000  NS      EEK.HTTPD.COM.
EEK.HTTPD.COM.       86400   A       204.182.105.150
FAM. 172000  NS      RS1.LANMINDS.COM.
RS1.LANMINDS.COM.    172000  A       208.1.127.6
FAM. 172000  NS      RS2.LANMINDS.NET.
RS2.LANMINDS.NET.    172000  A       207.174.25.15
PER. 604800  NS      NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.    86400   A       207.51.48.15
PER. 604800  NS      IPERDOME.PER.
IPERDOME.PER.        604800  A       208.133.32.70
PER. 604800  NS      MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
MX.ALTERNIC.NET.     86400   A       204.94.42.1
FAQ. 172000  NS      NS1.VRX.NET.
NS1.VRX.NET. 172000  A       199.166.24.1
GLOBE.       172000  NS      NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000  A       206.117.26.220
GLOBE.       172000  NS      NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.        172000  A       206.117.26.219
GAMES.       172000  NS      NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000  A       206.117.26.220
GAMES.       172000  NS      NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.        172000  A       206.117.26.219
MALL.        172000  NS      NS.UNETY.NET.
NS.UNETY.NET.        172000  A       207.32.128.1
MALL.        172000  NS      NS.UNETY.COM.
NS.UNETY.COM.        172000  A       207.32.128.131
RADIO.       172000  NS      SKYSCAPE.NET.
SKYSCAPE.NET.        172000  A       207.107.232.3
RADIO.       172000  NS      FASTLANE.CA.
FASTLANE.CA. 172000  A       205.206.189.3
TRAVEL.      518000  NS      MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
MX.ALTERNIC.NET.     86400   A       204.94.42.1
TRAVEL.      518000  NS      NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.    86400   A       207.51.48.15
TRAVEL.      518000  NS      ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.        86400   A       204.94.42.2
JPN. 518000  NS      MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
MX.ALTERNIC.NET.     86400   A       204.94.42.1
JPN. 518000  NS      NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.    86400   A       207.51.48.15
JPN. 518000  NS      ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.        86400   A       204.94.42.2
ZOO. 172000  NS      NS1.VRX.NET.
NS1.VRX.NET. 172000  A       199.166.24.1
ENT. 172000  NS      FASTLANE.CA.
FASTLANE.CA. 172000  A       205.206.189.3
ENT. 172000  NS      SKYSCAPE.NET.
SKYSCAPE.NET.        172000  A       207.107.232.3
ENT. 172000  NS      SKYSCAPE.ALTERNIC.NET.
ASIA.        172000  NS      NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000  A       206.117.26.220
ASIA.        172000  NS      NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.        172000  A       206.117.26.219
NS.RIPE.NET. 172800  A       193.0.0.193
LAW. 172000  NS      NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET.
NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET.   172000  A       207.51.48.5
LAW. 172000  NS      NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET.
NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET.   172000  A       207.51.48.8
VID. 172000  NS      DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       198.199.168.92
VID. 172000  NS      NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  15228   A       207.180.91.9
VID. 172000  NS      NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       208.195.108.9
NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       208.195.108.10
GAY. 172000  NS      ANAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG.
ANAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG. 172000  A       198.80.71.70
GAY. 172000  NS      SYNAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG.
SYNAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG.        172000  A       198.80.71.68
GAY. 172000  NS      NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.    86400   A       207.51.48.15
GAY. 172000  NS      MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
MX.ALTERNIC.NET.     86400   A       204.94.42.1
HELP.        172000  NS      SKYSCAPE.NET.
SKYSCAPE.NET.        172000  A       207.107.232.3
HELP.        172000  NS      FASTLANE.CA.
FASTLANE.CA. 172000  A       205.206.189.3
FUND.        172000  NS      SKYSCAPE.NET.
SKYSCAPE.NET.        172000  A       207.107.232.3
FUND.        172000  NS      FASTLANE.CA.
FASTLANE.CA. 172000  A       205.206.189.3
URL. 172000  NS      DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       198.199.168.92
URL. 172000  NS      NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  15228   A       207.180.91.9
URL. 172000  NS      NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       208.195.108.9
NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       208.195.108.10
HIGGS.       172000  NS      NS1.HIGGS.NET.
NS1.HIGGS.NET.       172000  A       204.80.125.130
HIGGS.       172000  NS      NS2.HIGGS.NET.
NS2.HIGGS.NET.       172000  A       204.80.125.145
ARTS.        172000  NS      FASTLANE.CA.
FASTLANE.CA. 172000  A       205.206.189.3
ARTS.        172000  NS      SKYSCAPE.NET.
SKYSCAPE.NET.        172000  A       207.107.232.3
LIVE.        518000  NS      iperdome.per.
iperdome.per.        604800  A       208.133.32.70
LIVE.        518000  NS      ns1.starfire.douglas.ma.us.
ns1.starfire.douglas.ma.us.  15228   A       207.180.91.9
GEO. 172000  NS      DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       198.199.168.92
GEO. 172000  NS      NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  15228   A       207.180.91.9
GEO. 172000  NS      NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       208.195.108.9
NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       208.195.108.10
EUR. 172000  NS      NS1.WEBSERVICES.NET.
NS1.WEBSERVICES.NET. 172000  A       194.106.36.1
NS1.WEBSERVICES.NET. 172000  A       194.72.236.3
EUR. 172000  NS      NS2.WEBSERVICES.NET.
NS2.WEBSERVICES.NET. 172800  A       194.72.236.3
GER. 86400   NS      ns.germany.net.
ns.germany.net.      172000  A       151.189.0.25
GER. 86400   NS      ns.seicom.net.
ns.seicom.net.       172000  A       194.97.200.20
KSA. 172000  NS      NS1.ALASKAONE.COM.
NS1.ALASKAONE.COM.   172000  A       205.184.14.8
KSA. 172000  NS      NS2.ALASKAONE.COM.
NS2.ALASKAONE.COM.   172000  A       205.184.14.8
EXP. 518000  NS      MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
MX.ALTERNIC.NET.     86400   A       204.94.42.1
EXP. 518000  NS      NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.    86400   A       207.51.48.15
EXP. 518000  NS      ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.        86400   A       204.94.42.2
EXP. 518000  NS      EEK.HTTPD.COM.
EEK.HTTPD.COM.       86400   A       204.182.105.150
LLB. 172000  NS      NS1.VRX.NET.
NS1.VRX.NET. 172000  A       199.166.24.1
KIDS.        172000  NS      NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000  A       206.117.26.220
KIDS.        172000  NS      NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.        172000  A       206.117.26.219
HAM. 172000  NS      DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       198.199.168.92
HAM. 172000  NS      NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       208.195.108.9
NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       208.195.108.10
KTI. 172000  NS      DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       198.199.168.92
KTI. 172000  NS      NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  15228   A       207.180.91.9
KTI. 172000  NS      NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       208.195.108.9
NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       208.195.108.10
BANK.        172000  NS      SKYSCAPE.NET.
SKYSCAPE.NET.        172000  A       207.107.232.3
BANK.        172000  NS      FASTLANE.CA.
FASTLANE.CA. 172000  A       205.206.189.3
MED. 518000  NS      MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
MX.ALTERNIC.NET.     86400   A       204.94.42.1
MED. 518000  NS      NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.    86400   A       207.51.48.15
MED. 518000  NS      EEK.HTTPD.COM.
EEK.HTTPD.COM.       86400   A       204.182.105.150
MED. 518000  NS      ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.        86400   A       204.94.42.2
PORN.        172000  NS      NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.    86400   A       207.51.48.15
PORN.        172000  NS      ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.        86400   A       204.94.42.2
PORN.        172000  NS      EEK.HTTPD.COM.
EEK.HTTPD.COM.       86400   A       204.182.105.150
PORN.        172000  NS      NS1.BELFAIR.NET.
NS1.BELFAIR.NET.     86400   A       204.94.43.1
PORN.        172000  NS      IPERDOME.PER.
IPERDOME.PER.        604800  A       208.133.32.70
PORN.        172000  NS      MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
MX.ALTERNIC.NET.     86400   A       204.94.42.1
FREE.        172000  NS      NS.ALPHAQUE.COM.
NS.ALPHAQUE.COM.     172000  A       202.185.254.12
FREE.        172000  NS      NS2.ALPHAQUE.COM.
NS2.ALPHAQUE.COM.    172000  A       202.185.231.4
BIZ. 172000  NS      CEREBUS.MCS.COM.
CEREBUS.MCS.COM.     172000  A       192.160.127.125
BIZ. 172000  NS      KITTEN.MCS.COM.
KITTEN.MCS.COM.      172000  A       192.160.127.90
ART. 172000  NS      FASTLANE.CA.
FASTLANE.CA. 172000  A       205.206.189.3
ART. 172000  NS      SKYSCAPE.NET.
SKYSCAPE.NET.        172000  A       207.107.232.3
LNX. 518000  NS      MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
MX.ALTERNIC.NET.     86400   A       204.94.42.1
LNX. 518000  NS      NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.    86400   A       207.51.48.15
LNX. 518000  NS      ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.        86400   A       204.94.42.2
LNX. 518000  NS      EEK.HTTPD.COM.
EEK.HTTPD.COM.       86400   A       204.182.105.150
ZONE.        172000  NS      NS1.USVI.NET.
NS1.USVI.NET.        172000  A       204.199.0.2
ZONE.        172000  NS      NS2.USVI.NET.
NS2.USVI.NET.        172000  A       204.199.0.3
SEA. 172000  NS      DNS1.SEANET.COM.
DNS1.SEANET.COM.     172000  A       199.181.164.1
SEA. 172000  NS      DNS2.SEANET.COM.
DNS2.SEANET.COM.     172000  A       199.181.164.2
LTD. 518000  NS      MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
MX.ALTERNIC.NET.     86400   A       204.94.42.1
LTD. 518000  NS      NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.    86400   A       207.51.48.15
LTD. 518000  NS      ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.        86400   A       204.94.42.2
LTD. 518000  NS      EEK.HTTPD.COM.
EEK.HTTPD.COM.       86400   A       204.182.105.150
NETZ.        86400   NS      ns.germany.net.
ns.germany.net.      172000  A       151.189.0.25
NETZ.        86400   NS      ns.seicom.net.
ns.seicom.net.       172000  A       194.97.200.20
TOUR.        172000  NS      NS1.USVI.NET.
NS1.USVI.NET.        172000  A       204.199.0.2
TOUR.        172000  NS      NS2.USVI.NET.
NS2.USVI.NET.        172000  A       204.199.0.3
CHIRO.       518000  NS      iperdome.per.
iperdome.per.        604800  A       208.133.32.70
CHIRO.       518000  NS      ns1.starfire.douglas.ma.us.
ns1.starfire.douglas.ma.us.  15228   A       207.180.91.9
SEX. 172000  NS      FASTLANE.CA.
FASTLANE.CA. 172000  A       205.206.189.3
SEX. 172000  NS      SKYSCAPE.NET.
SKYSCAPE.NET.        172000  A       207.107.232.3
SEX. 172000  NS      SKYSCAPE.ALTERNIC.NET.
CITY.        172000  NS      DNS1.SEANET.COM.
DNS1.SEANET.COM.     172000  A       199.181.164.1
CITY.        172000  NS      DNS2.SEANET.COM.
DNS2.SEANET.COM.     172000  A       199.181.164.2
NEWS.        172000  NS      NS1.HIGGS.NET.
NS1.HIGGS.NET.       172000  A       204.80.125.130
NEWS.        172000  NS      NS2.HIGGS.NET.
NS2.HIGGS.NET.       172000  A       204.80.125.145
NIC. 518000  NS      MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
MX.ALTERNIC.NET.     86400   A       204.94.42.1
NIC. 518000  NS      NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.    86400   A       207.51.48.15
NIC. 518000  NS      ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.        86400   A       204.94.42.2
NIC. 518000  NS      EEK.HTTPD.COM.
EEK.HTTPD.COM.       86400   A       204.182.105.150
NIC. 518000  NS      ALTER.NIC.
ALTER.NIC.   86400   A       204.94.42.5
ALTER.NIC.   86400   A       204.94.42.1
NIC. 518000  NS      ALTERNIC.NIC.
ALTERNIC.NIC.        86400   A       204.94.42.1
NIC. 518000  NS      WWW.ALTER.NIC.
WWW.ALTER.NIC.       86400   A       204.94.42.1
NIC. 518000  NS      WWW.ALTERNIC.NET.
WWW.ALTERNIC.NET.    186400  A       204.94.42.1
WWW.ALTERNIC.NET.    186400  A       207.51.48.15
NIC. 518000  NS      IPERDOME.PER.
IPERDOME.PER.        604800  A       208.133.32.70
NIC. 518000  NS      WWW.PER.
WWW.PER.     604800  A       208.133.32.70
NIC. 518000  NS      MAIL.PER.
MAIL.PER.    604800  A       208.133.32.70
CORP.        172000  NS      CEREBUS.MCS.COM.
CEREBUS.MCS.COM.     172000  A       192.160.127.125
CORP.        172000  NS      KITTEN.MCS.COM.
KITTEN.MCS.COM.      172000  A       192.160.127.90
GALLERY.     172000  NS      NS1.VRX.NET.
NS1.VRX.NET. 172000  A       199.166.24.1
DDS. 172000  NS      NS1.VRX.NET.
NS1.VRX.NET. 172000  A       199.166.24.1
SKY. 172000  NS      FASTLANE.CA.
FASTLANE.CA. 172000  A       205.206.189.3
SKY. 172000  NS      SKYSCAPE.NET.
SKYSCAPE.NET.        172000  A       207.107.232.3
PRICES.      172000  NS      NS1.VRX.NET.
NS1.VRX.NET. 172000  A       199.166.24.1
EMAIL.       172000  NS      NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000  A       206.117.26.220
EMAIL.       172000  NS      NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.        172000  A       206.117.26.219
800. 172000  NS      NS1.VRX.NET.
NS1.VRX.NET. 172000  A       199.166.24.1
VIDEO.       172000  NS      DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       198.199.168.92
VIDEO.       172000  NS      NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       208.195.108.9
NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.  172000  A       208.195.108.10
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Karl Denninger <karl () MCS COM> wrote in article
<5r39c8$75b$1 () Jupiter Mcs Net>...
In article <01bc96e4$c6ca5530$0101a8c0 () superduper>,
David Schutt <david () DELETETHIS speco com> wrote:
What in the world is going on with the nameservers? People are blocking
addresses that are or were associated with Alternic, and that includes
Cerebus and Kitten. Is this going to cause us MCS users problems?
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Who's blocking cerebus and kitten?

I've seen no evidence of this.  We had nothing to do with the Alternic on
those machines, and Eugene's root has been off for months.

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