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Re: SMURF amplifier block list - READ THIS
From: Karl Denninger <karl () Mcs Net>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:22:15 -0500

On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 01:04:19PM -0600, Dax Kelson wrote:
This isn't quite as bad as it sounds, because in nearly all cases, the
*OUTGOING* bandwidth from the amplification network will be *MUCH* less
then the aggregate traffic produced by all the devices on the
amplification LAN. 

So what ends up happening in most cases, is that 20-90Mpbs of traffic
slams into the router interface capable of only 1.5/3/6/9Mbps of outgoing
traffic.  Still, though a modem or ISDN connection being able to summon
1.5-9Mpbs is quite a problem.

Well, most of the real "problem" smurf sites are DS-3 connected or better.
The little ones don't bother us.

There has been very little mention of anti-SPOOF measures in this thread
which is surprising.

Try to get people to do that.... we have, its pointless.

IP SPOOFing is *THE SOURCE* of all the major problems:

TEARDROP and variants
What's Next???


Validate all traffic leaving your networks to be sure the IP source is
from one of your networks.

Everyone from the tier 1 providers on down should write that requirement
into all their connection agreements.

Further, the fact is that nearly *ALL* such attacks (attacks that use
IP-SPOOFing as a requirement) are launched from dial-up connections.

If would be relatively easy to have a *DRAMATIC* reduction in attacks if
the dialup equipment vendors would release software updates with *DEFAULT*
anti-spoof filters applied to dialup connections.

Put some pressure on your vendors, nearly all dialup ports are made by
either Lucent/Livingston, Ascend, and 3COM/USR.

I've been asking Livingston for two years for this feature.

Dax Kelson
Internet Connect, Inc.

Yeah, well, why not find a way to ram it down UUNET, SPRINT, MCI's, and the
rest of the national's throats first?

We already do this - its not a perfect filter, but it will only let you
transmit packets with sources that COULD possibly come from us.

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