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Re: black hat .cn networks
From: Adrian Chadd <adrian () creative net au>
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:55:00 +0800

On Tue, May 08, 2001, neil d. quiogue wrote:

I don't think the encoding matters much since one is sending from a
non-Big5/SJIS encoding to Big5/SJIS encoding and those that support
Big5/SJIS support the other encodings.  The other way around might be a
problem though.

But the nonresponse is a valid concern.  I wonder if I'll be censored soon.


Neil D. Quiogue
PSINet Hong Kong Ltd.


How about a line translated which says something like:

"To translate this from English to your local language, please
try $WEBSITE."

So, how about we get imput as to the best English-Japanese
translation service online, and then *cough* attempt to
standardise on contacting chinese networks this way?

They might appreciate the effort. Well, we can then at least
say "hey, we TRIED, right?" before the more drastic measures
are pulled. But if we agree on a decent translation website URL they can
go to, we can get some human-translated chinese to cut and paste
into emails.

As much as I'd like to point out the internet is still very english-centric,
we should really make an effort before stamping them as unresponsive.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Hollis" <goemon () anime net>
To: "Wing Wong" <dualwing () pacbell net>
Cc: <nanog () merit edu>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: black hat .cn networks

On Tue, 8 May 2001, Wing Wong wrote:
On Mon, 7 May 2001, Dan Hollis wrote:
On Tue, 8 May 2001, Paul Lantinga wrote:
Justin, et al, do you have any *proof* that these attacks are coming
Chinese attackers on Chinese machines?
We may never know since mainland china admins never respond to abuse
Ever consider the possibility that the admins in question don't
English? It'd be like if someone sends you a Big5 or SJIS encoded
complaining about spam or cracks and all you see is binary jiberish on
your screen.
Even romanized communications would be difficult to understand.

I can use babelfish, why can't they?

Yes, babelfish is less than perfect, but I can usually grok the gist of an

And if babelfish isnt good enough, there's others.

FWIW I've had a chinese friend in canada send a BIG5 email once and the
same -- no response.


Adrian Chadd                    "How could we possibly use sex to get
<adrian () creative net au>       what we want?
                                   Sex _IS_ what we want!" -- Fraser

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