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Re: Common language? [was re: black hat .cn networks]
From: David Diaz <davediaz () iwcinc net>
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:20:55 -0400



For whatever it's worth, the official language of aviation worldwide is English. It is a standard and a requirement in towers. Reality is that they most likely speak "aviation English" is remote airports. Just enough so pilots can understand where to put the plane and were not to. So a common language can be chosen.

My experience with the issue occured a few years back. Doing some work with a large Columbian conglomerate, they sent over they top admins for a meeting in the US. We had native speakers (from Cuba) who were also 20-25 year UNIX admin veterans. A funny thing happened... they could not speak common Spanish UNIX. Each group had local terms created for items as simply as Email. I found it very interesting that we basically had to go back to describing something like a car as "that thing we sit in with 4 wheels that takes us places...."

It was an eye opening experience. I do not believe having internationally recognized words such as Email, File system, Disk are bad. English is a bastard language with lots of foreign words. In Florida most Spanish speakers use SpanGlish which is a combination of Spanish with very useful English words thrown in. It works, and even English only speaks have a good idea of what the conversation is. (Yes, it's always about them!! :-) )

dd


At 2:42 PM +0800 5/10/01, Adrian Chadd wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2001, Clayton Fiske wrote:

 Nor should you have to learn how to patch and maintain a webserver
 to surf the web. But we're not talking about end users, we're talking
 about admins. Do admins -have- to learn English? No, but I don't think
 it's an unreasonable request when they will be operating a server in
 a network where it's the most common language spoken by their fellow
 admins, particularly when their machine is in a position to pose a
 security risk to others' machines and networks.

"fellow admins" ? What, the admins they:

* hang out with in their city?
* on irc?
* in a newsgroup?
* through IM type clients?

 But I guess wanting to be able to deal with operational issues in a
 common language, whether it's English or not, makes me USA-centric...

no, that doesn't make you USA-centric. Wanting people to speak English
because its the "standard language" .. what "standard language" ?
Wanting people to speak English because the internet and computing
in general was invented by Americans - well, guess we're all going
to have to speak Chinese since they invented gunpowder.

You want a globally-self-regulating internet, yet you want English to
be the "standard language" ?

A common language for internet operations would be a good thing.
Now, how do you encourage people to learn and speak it?

As a fun thought experiment - imagine for a moment how you'd feel if
you had to learn Chinese (and you obviously didn't speak it!),
but you couldn't move to Chinese. Everyone around you still speaks English
(so you don't get the practice/exposure needed) but you get net-related
emails in Chinese. Some of your software is written in Chinese, but
all the modern stuff has an English option.

Welcome to planet earth. please enjoy your stay.

This is my last post on the topic.



Adrian

--
Adrian Chadd                    "How could we possibly use sex to get
<adrian () creative net au>         what we want?
                                   Sex _IS_ what we want!" -- Fraser



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