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RE: Dont Knock The Technology, was Re: People who purchase unproven technologies to support theirBusiness, and whine about it.
From: "Daniel Golding" <dan () netrail net>
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:07:56 -0400


The interesting thing, is that this has absolutely nothing to do with
Technology, good or bad. It has to do with products. xDSL is normally
considered a product for the home or small business. It is supported and
priced that way. For most providers, that includes small, static IP blocks,
assigned out of the providers own space, in a systematic fashion.

The "T-1" product is usually something quite different, even if it is
provided over an HDSL line. This product usually includes BGP support,
greater flexibility for using your own address space, and the chance to talk
to engineers with greater clue. There is usually a big price difference.

Why? DSL is a mass market product, and folks want to package it in a certain
way. T-1 is a business product, and you're paying for better service. It's
as simple as that. Don't fall all over the technical details in this case,
as this hinges on folks using a Home/SOHO product for mission critical
business stuff. You might save some money in the short run, but it's a poor
investment.

- Daniel Golding

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu]On Behalf Of
John Palmer (NANOG Acct)
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:00 PM
To: nanog () nanog org
Subject: Dont Knock The Technology, was Re: People who purchase unproven
technologies to support theirBusiness, and whine about it.



I have never had any line problems with my DSL connection. Never
had to have
anyone come out and repair it and its never been down due to a line isssue
and we've had the connection since Jan 2000.

All of the issues have to due with mess-ups by PSINet or Covad. PSINet had
the wrong IP address information in their database and they sent that over
to CAIS when they transferred the account. Thats what started it all.

I have to say that I don't see where DSL is a flawed technology, just that
some of the players in the game are not very good at providing support.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Hollis" <goemon () anime net>
To: "Wojtek Zlobicki" <wojtekz () idirect com>
Cc: <jmarr () twmaine com>; "'John Palmer (NANOG Acct)'" <nanog () adns net>;
<nanog () nanog org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: People who purchase unproven technologies to support
theirBusiness, and whine about it. RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE
UP AND TAKE
CAREOF YOUR CUSTOMERS


On Mon, 14 May 2001, Wojtek Zlobicki wrote:
performance and other characteristics.  The work that I have done
working
for a CLEC has shown me that a line that works well from the start is
likely
to stay up for weeks/months.

The DSL from work to home has been up 24/7 for about 4 years
now without a
single interruption. Quite different from our PTP T1's which
each go down
regularly.

-Dan







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