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Re: Stealth Blocking
From: "Jeremy T. Bouse" <undrgrid () Toons UnderGrid net>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:43:11 -0700

Mitch Halmu was said to been seen saying:

On Wed, 23 May 2001, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote:

    Okay, I don't want to perpetuate this lil battle more than it needs
to however I do have a few observations that are blindingly glaring to me
and perhaps been overlooked...

Mitch Halmu was said to been seen saying:
    Point blank open-relays are not a good idea, they may have when
the technology was not there to do otherwise but come on, with SMTP AUTH
and TLS capabilities in most "reputable" mail servers there is absolutely
no excuse for it. If you remove the open relays you remove a good bit of
the fscking spam that pollutes the net and annoys the hell out of most
people. And SMTP AUTH and TLS would not prevent your roaming customers
from sending and receiving and would actually HELP you verify it is them.

<snipped what I felt didn't need further encouragement>

    Jeremy T. Bouse

As I answered in a private post to a similar observation, you don't have
to take my word for it. Perhaps you believe what Chip Rosenthal, the daddy
of MAPS TSI, states on his own site about POP-before-SMTP Authorization:
"Our users hated it - particularly those using MS Outlook".

        Did I say POP-before-SMTP? I don't think I did... SMTP AUTH and TLS
are two completely setups than POP-before-SMTP and both are supported by any
decent MUA. I agree POP-before-SMTP was not a good plan but it worked before
the SMTP AUTH mechanism came of age. Now there is no logical reason not to
use it. Or let me guess you don't authenicate your NNTP server either like
most reputable USENET server admins are doing.

        Jeremy T. Bouse
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