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RE: Stealth Blocking
From: Roeland Meyer <rmeyer () mhsc com>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:35:07 -0700

I'm getting seriously confused here. I thought that the open-relay issue was
irelevent to MAPS. That MAPS only black-holed confirmed SPAM sites (a little
tougher, but more granular, charter). Further, that it was ORBS that listed
open-relay sites specifically, whether they were involved in a spam or not
(unacceptable due to punishing potential anti-spammers for proliferating
spam that never saw their systems). To me, these are two entirely different
charters. If MAPS starts to look like ORBS then I will stop using MAPS.

Can someone please clarify?

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Sharp [mailto:rsharp () appliedtheory com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 1:04 PM
To: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Cc: nanog () merit edu
Subject: Re: Stealth Blocking

I would like to make the point that I do run two mail servers 
and both a maps approved.
Please don't tell me I don't know how to run a mail server.  
Again I am not discussing your
ability , please don't poke fun at me.  In fact I had some 
trouble with spam on one of them
because someone was signing up a list I use for the  owl 
networks mailing list.  I infact
installed MAPS to see if it helped the problem.  It did not 
because the user didn't run an
open relay site but rather a no confirmation email list.  
Would I be correct to assume they
should be in the MAPS list too?  As you can see sometime 
spam/annoying emails is not always
sent throught an open relay but sometimes it's a problem with 
mailing lists.....  What should
maps do, start adding sites that act like this?

I am just making the point that if MAPS wasn't run by one 
person with total control maybe
some of us "retards who don't know what we are doing" would 
be a bit more will to support the


Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2001 14:36:15 EDT, Robert Sharp said:

And if you use the MAPS list by your choice you are most 
definetly filtering out email
or traffic for people who are legitimate.  I know I have 
been filtered before.  MAPS is
using a very large hammer to kill a not so large bug.

Hmm.. you won't configure it correctly. RFC2505 is "Best 
Current Practice".

You get filtered because you won't configure it correctly.

You say you've been filtered *before* because you won't 
configure it correctly.

Yes, we *admit* we're using a large hammer.  Bouncing your 
e-mail didn't
get your attention.  Maybe irate users will get your 
attention.  But I
am doubting it.
                                Valdis Kletnieks
                                Operating Systems Analyst
                                Virginia Tech

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