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From: Mitch Halmu <mitch () netside net>
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:49:56 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 25 May 2001, John Fraizer wrote:

On Fri, 25 May 2001, Mitch Halmu wrote:

If you were a dial-up user, chances are you wouldn't be able to do that.

REALLY? Lets check this out.

A few simple reasons come to mind: first, you wouldn't have any or not
enough disk space on your system account (limited by quota) to store the

Have you thought about that before sending a large file via email to
someone?  Many provides include your email spool in your quota.  Beyond
that, there are TONS of free hosting providers out there so your arguement
there is moot.

And many don't. Remember, it has to work for all.
Second, an average user probably wouldn't have the skill.

Huh?  You're joking, right?  Believe it or not Mitch, the rest of the
internet population isn't just sitting around sucking up oxygen from
brain-children like you.  If they're competent enough to create a large
presentation, they're competent enough to upload it somewhere.  They can
drag and drop with any number of FTP applications.  Moot arguement.

Ever tried to explain to Joe user what FTP is? DeeAnn Mikula answered 
that one to the point.
Third, a .zip file will usually display as funny characters on a web
browser - that's why ftp is needed. 

Only if they're running REALLY, REALLY old browsers or the server itself
is sending an incorrect mime-type for the .zip extension.  Beyond that,
they can right-click on the link and do a "save-as" so, this one is moot
as well.

Some still do. Just pointing out potential problems.

Fourth, you probably wouldn't have shell access and ftp space from
your provider with a regular account.

Please see "free hosting providers" above.  MOOT.
Well, for one, free stuff on the Internet is comatose.

Second, don't tell me that a user should be required to have both a
paid account and a freebie just to be able to handle large files.

Fifth, assuming you would have all the toys, you would have to spend
yourself the time to first upload the file, so that another may
retrieve it. 

OK.  How is that any different that the time it takes you to send the file
to the SMTP server?  MOOT!

Some may compose a message off-line, and have it sent unattended with other
unsent messages when they go online.
Sixth, if your file was a sensitive document, others
would have public access to it, etc.

Ever hear of .htaccess?  It's REALLY neat.  If you think your file is safe
from prying eyes in email, you've got more problems than not understanding
basic authentication on a webserver though.  You should stop argueing your
invalid, moot points and spend that precious time reevaluating your
security policy.

Joe user doesn't know about .htaccess, nor does he care. He just wants his
document sent out like now! Joe doesn't see why he should jump through
more hoops than his buddy on a competing service anyway.

Besides, you will now have to confirm that the intended party retrieved
the document, then go back in and delete it. 

So what's a regular user to do? Email it!

No.  That's what the uneducated newbie does.  The regular user uploads it
to their http/ftp server and sends a link to the file via email.

We do provide 10MB of personal web space with every account since 1995.
Guess how many users even have web pages up? Many simply don't care.
Hence the legitimate use of email for transmission of large files.

Please don't breed.

Some other brave souls dared to disagree.
Most ISPs know that if they start limiting this privilege, users will
migrate to someone that allows it.

If you educate your users, you have no problems.

John Fraizer
EnterZone, Inc

John, we provide a service, and don't run a training camp. Most people
wouldn't agree to the punishment you want to subject them to anyway.


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