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From: Adam Rothschild <asr () latency net>
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:58:30 -0400

On Sat, May 26, 2001 at 04:36:31PM -0400, Mitch Halmu wrote:
Any North American Network Operator (NANO_) that entrusts control of
their networks' communications to a foreign third party is a fool.
ORBS is run by one Alan Brown based in New Zealand. IMHO, he's a

I do _not_ support the ORBS.  While I like with the concept, the
implementation (implementor?) is of questionable sanity, and the
volume of false positives, in the form of mail from legitimate senders
running horribly misconfigured and vulnerable mail servers, is too

Being blackholed by New Zealanders should be an insignificant threat
to US-based networks. If it starts being a noticeable problem, you
have a serious national security breach.

Nobody's arbitrarily blackholing you.  There are clearly defined
procedures for getting on and off their list.  If you choose to ignore
them, that's your choice.

On Sat, May 26, 2001 at 07:23:16PM -0400, Mitch Halmu wrote:
Our position on MAPS is described clearly at

You could have fixed your open relays in a manner acceptable to your
user base, in less time than it took you to make this site.  ;)

On Sun, May 27, 2001 at 09:11:39AM -0700, Roeland Meyer wrote:
You must not have a roaming staff or are willing to keep telcos

I do not understand why one must run an open SMTP relay, or "keep
telcos wealthy", to achieve the functionality you desire.


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