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Re: On Internet and social responsibility
From: Vadim Antonov <avg () exigengroup com>
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:05:57 -0700 (PDT)




Joe --

I'm not calling in question their right to publish; what i'm saying that
this crap was going on for years, and nobody cared.

BTW, if you look at the First Ammendment protections closer, they are not
guaranteeing absolute right of free speech.  Learn the American law before
you invoke it to defend your point of view.

I'm tired of absolutists who cannot see that there's no such thing as
absolute good or absolute evil.  Speech can be very dangerous.  This is
a conflict of ideologies, not nations or religions.  What do you think is
ideology - if not speech?  How do you suppress ideology if you let it
spread unhampered?  

Violence is bad? Vote for dissolution of police, if you _really_ mean
that. But don't take the "my hands is clean" high moral ground.  It is
_your_ guilt, too, for being lazy to learn what is going on, and failing
to elect a goverment with a clue, not the bumbling idiot with a Texan
accent and vocabulary of a fifteen-years-old.

That site was spreading lies for a long time and is well-known in Russia
as an example of American hypocrisy.  I was reminded of it when i looked
at today's very sarcastic piece by one poplular TV commentator (Mike
Solovyev, the anchor of "Odnako" ("But..") prime-time daily show watched
by a hundred million people).

[Transcript follows]
        ...Besides, Shamil Basaev is not only a cannibal, but also a very
        keen politologist making in his cave precise analysis of political
        situation.

        <video of Shamil Basaev leaving in a bus with hostages>

        The web-site Kavkaz.org published a special message from Shamil
        Basaev regarding the air attacks on Washington and New-York. Mr.
        Basaev says that "Russia is behind this terrorist attack. The goal
        of this attack is to undermine might of USA, discredit the idea of
        the national anti-missile defense initiative, and cause USA to
        lose its status of super-power."

        Chechen politologists are wishing to provoke clash of America and
        Russia: just for a second imagine that everyone believed this
        Chechen propaganda about "hand of Moscow" - what should be the
        answer from the other side of the ocean?  You know.

                [allusion to the nuclear war, for those unfamiliar with
                 Soviet idiomas -- avg].

        After what happened, the Western authorities should've knocked
        that site down, it is physically located in the America, and
        change their view of Chechen propaganda in general.  Because
        otherwise it seems that bin Laden is a cannibal, with any means
        good to get him down, but his Chechen comrades-in-arms still need
        delicacy and respect.  This is the message we get by watching this
        site staying up after September 11th.

        ...

        This Wednesday I expressed concern that after the initial shock
        they'll talk, talk, and forget the whole thing - you know, deeds
        are forgettable, body's fattening.  But now it looks like
        everything is funnier.  To forget something you need to learn
        something first. Judging by dithering of various officials they
        didn't learn anything, so they have nothing to forget.
[end of transcript]

Here's how America looks from outside.  A bunch of incompetents and
hypocrites.

And i am tired of telling my Russian correspondents to stuff their "they
asked for it" postures you know where.  Because i know that Americans are
not really hypocritic, just terribly ignorant.

--vadim


On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 baptista () pccf net wrote:


Vadim - I think in american we call it free speech.  The content of the
message is not the issue - it is the right to publish it and one's
opinion which is the issue here guranteed by the U.S. constitution.

regards
joe

On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Vadim Antonov wrote:



Found on a website hosted in US by a US service provider:

Manpower resources of
Muslims and powerful ideological stimulus of resistance, the
control above the basic power resources of the world, the
geographical position and an area of movement, finally will
destroy USA. War will come in the house of each American.
  ******************************************************** 

And it already will be the collapse of that America, which we
know and which is realized by Americans. The first disturbing
symptoms of arising enmity and split of America already is
available. 

This is from the inverview with the spokesman of well-known terrorist
Shamil Basaev, known for personally taking hostage hundreds of patients in
a hospital, among other things (the spokesman is Movladi Udugov, the guy
who threatened to drop an airplane on Kremlin).

http://www.kavkaz.org/english/news/2001/09/14/news4.htm

Hosted by XO Communications - do not bother them, i already alerted their
staff.

Guys, why should a North American provider give a place for this
propaganda?  Call FBI, have them trace the connections of whoever pays for
that site.

[If you decide to read the entire article - the "so-called peacemaker"
Boris Nemtsov mentioned there is a prominent pro-Western politican in
Russia, and (used to be, changed his mind after WTC attack) a leading
proponent of negotiations with Chechen militants.  A shining illustration
of what you get for trying to negotiate with terrorists.]

Please, if you host websites, take a closer look at what you are hosting;
you may help to find leads for the investigation.

--vadim


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