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The Gorgon's Knot. Was: Re: Verio Peering Question
From: "Joseph T. Klein" <jtk () titania net>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:17:49 +0000

I thought the major point in the filter arguments is the trade offs
between stability, route convergence times, table size, and the
growing customer desire to have reliability based on upstream

We can't have unlimited route tables growth. Large route tables
increase instability and convergence time.

We can yap all day about inconsistent policies but nothing in
this industry is fixed except the limits forced on us by physics.

The technology, and economics tend to shift around.

Find a way to provide reliable multi homing without massive route
table growth and you fix many things.

I do not run Vario ... I will not fault them for taking a stance?

A more NANOG centric discussion may be to understand how many providers
would have problems given larger route tables. We all don't have routers
that can easily chew through a 100,000+ line BGP table.

How much can we give to individual entities without endangering the
common good?

At 09:01 AM 9/28/2001 -0700, Majdi S. Abbas wrote:

        Sure, they filter, but they invite THEIR peers to filter them, as
well.  I don't see any hypocracy in that.

I am sorry you do not.  How about we agree to disagree?

See old thread ...

Joseph T. Klein                                         +1 414 915 7489
Senior Network Engineer                                 jtk () titania net
Adelphia Business Solutions                joseph.klein () adelphiacom com

    "... the true value of the Internet is its connectedness ..."
                                                 -- John W. Stewart III

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