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Re: Digex and Akamai are raping the ARIN whois database
From: "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol () NorthShoreTechnologies net>
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:50:50 -0400 (EDT)

One more post to this thread

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Bob K wrote:

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Patrick Greenwell wrote:

Bull. If I as an individual give permission for an organization I have
some sort of relationship with to have mail sent to me by third parties,
that's my perogative. What you are in fact saying is that I'm not allowed
to give that permission.

The problem is that the sleaze factor that permeates the space.

That's not the only problem.  People sign other people up for those lists
as a revenge tactic; consequently, those lists are worse than worthless if
they don't include the IP & timestamp of when that person signed up (and
are still hazardous to use even with that info).  One is far, far better
off collecting addresses through clear, legitimate opt-in methods...
Yes. That was, more or less, the point I was making, though I did a very
BAD job of making it.

More to the point - plenty of marketers have twisted the meaning of
OPT-IN. Wide misuse of that phrase led me to say what I said, but I didn't
take into account the fact many people subsequently reminded me of: it
*is* common to have a merchant ask if it's ok to give your contact info to
other companies. So, I misspoke. All of the people who took me to task
were correct. I'll have to be a little more careful of what I say in the

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