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Re: Lack of Security
From: "Geoff Zinderdine" <geoffz () mts net>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:39:20 -0500


Terribly sorry to stray so much from on topic, but I have a question I can't
satisfactorily answer my self.  First I wish to convey my deep sorrow and
sympathy to all listmembers directly or indirectly affected by this attack.
Our thoughts and prayers are with you here in Canada, and we shall strike
with one heart and mind at those that perpetrated this act.  My question
follows:

You can't get into a cab in NYC that doesn't have a shield that protects the
cabbie from the passengers.  Why on earth is the cabin even accessible from
the passenger compartment?  Could planes not be constructed to isolate the
cabin entirely from the passengers?  You could certainly provide limited
seating for pilots that were flying along forward of this partition.

Is there any good reason for the amount of trust which is required in the
present model?

Regards,

Geoff Zinderdine
DSL Support Technician
MTS Communications

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Stewart" <dbs () ntrnet net>
To: <nanog () merit org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: Lack of Security



At 09:42 PM 9/12/2001, Robert Hough wrote:
The security we display in most aspects of our society echo the same
security we display in most of our networks as well.

Now ask yourself, why was it so easy to hijack these planes? Because we
have sacrificed security for convenience - and our enemy used that
against us. Well, something to chew on. G'Night.

Can someone explain to me how only allowing ticketed passengers past
security checkpoints is going to accomplish anything toward increased
security?  The only thing I can even dream of is that it will reduce the
number of people passing the checkpoints.

These hijackers were ticketed passengers.

No carry-on?  OK, so it will reduce hiding places for non-metallic
weapons.  On the other hand, so much for taking your laptop with you - are
you willing to entrust your laptop to baggage handlers?  Willing to put
your Palm in your checked luggage?

This is just my feeling, but I honestly believe these measures are only
giving the *appearance* of security, apparently to make the general public
feel better.

I do agree, though, with the comments on network security - so many, many
are much more lax about the security of their networks than airports have
been.  As an anecdote, when I came to my current job last year, the
network
was wide open.  Since, I've placed servers behind firewalls, and blocked
things like NetBIOS (you wouldn't believe the cry that went up from
customers when I did that - they *want* to use NetBIOS shares between
business offices in various cities)




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