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RE: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof
From: "Borchers, Mark" <mborchers () splitrock net>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:38:05 -0500


The best airport security is considered the Israeli airport
security organization.  A recent article in a travel magazine
followed a security expert through the airport as he intentionally
did things to "trip" the multiple layers of security.  It relies
more on trained humans than technology.

Of course, the US aviation community is certainly well aware of
this, so it is probably not necessary to present solutions to the 
problems of airport security on NANOG.


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave O'Shea [mailto:doshea () telentente com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:44 PM
To: Kevin Day; John Fraizer
Cc: David Howe; Email List: nanog
Subject: RE: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof



Federal penitentiaries have among the best security in the world, and
use highly invasive searches combined with a very limited 
access policy
and severe limitations about what may be brought into a 
prison. Weapons,
edged and blunt, are still quite common.

Any security policy that doesn't put into place measures to deal with
threats as they arise is ineffective by definition. Talking sternly to
the offender is of questionable value when the offender is a crabby
stockbroker annoyed about the inflight meal.  

Personally, I have a ticket to fly somewhere next week that I 
purchased
for the dirt-cheap price of $140 round-trip. I'm beginning to 
think I'd
be much happier spending twice that to fly on a half-empty 
plane with a
couple of really short-tempered marines sitting towards the 
back of the
plane.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Day [mailto:toasty () temphost dragondata com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:43 PM
To: John Fraizer
Cc: David Howe; Email List: nanog
Subject: Re: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof





On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, David Howe wrote:


There are mechanisms in place that would detect this type of
behavior.  (Prebooking multiple flights for the same 
individual.)
Does a domestic flight require a passport or other form 
of positive ID?
if not, they could book as many tickets as needed with a 
different name per
ticket.




Yes.  Photo identification to get your tickets, period, the end.

Not necessarily. I've boarded planes several times without 
showing a piece
of ID. With the new automated check-in kiosks in several 
airports, if you
have no luggage to check-in, you don't see a person at all.. 
(You still do
need a credit card in your name though) Both times I left 
Houston-Bush
International, I had my tickets printed and checked in by 
only telling the
attendant my name. (I thought it was very strange, but didn't 
question it)

Many really small regional airports allow you to board 
without going through
metal detectors/bag x-rays. Once you get off the plane at the
destination(larger airport) you're behind the "secure" zone, 
and can also
board another flight without going through one.

I'm not saying that these kinds of things are what caused 
yesterday's
events, or that whoever did this didn't use fake ID's, so I'm 
not sure that
strictly enforcing this sort of thing would have mattered anyway.


-- Kevin






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