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RE: East Coast outage?
From: "Stephen J. Wilcox" <steve () telecomplete co uk>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:32:17 +0100 (BST)
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Ejay Hire wrote:
I similar technology has been discussed before, and I believe it is still a
viable option: RFCs 1149 and 2549, Avian Carriers. While avian carriers do
present problems, (flapping, unpredictable delay, queuing issues, and buggy
implementations (specifically lice and mites)), I believe they are a better
option than IP via Balloon. Balloons offer higher bandwidth (practically any
payload size can be accommodated with a larger envelope), but the connection
is much slower and less predictable than avian carrier. Balloon carrier
retransmits are very expensive and the TTL is affected by the cost of propane
and the general wind direction.
Interesting, altho avian carriers is in the RFCs and has actually been used,
balloons have not, perhaps you should do an experiment to compare them ;p
As an alternative, perhaps we should consider IP via dirigible. A properly
sized airship loaded with a high speed DVD-rw library comprising (tens of )
thousands of discs providing a very high bandwidth, high latency, low loss (if
helium is used instead of hydrogen) carrier might be an option.
Actually I think that was a spin-off of the thread not so long ago where they
broke the data speed record. Carrying such a quantity of DVDs (or similar media)
on a plane such as concorde does produce higher bandwidths than current "fat
From: Petri Helenius [mailto:pete () he iki fi]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 4:50 PM
To: alex () yuriev com; Rich Casto
Cc: nanog () merit edu
Subject: Re: East Coast outage?
subsidize) local power generation via renewable energy sources (e.g.
solar, wind, hydro) it would go a long way towards solving this problem.
If in order to make it viable such energy needs to be subsidized then it is
And solar nor wind are good for base energy production so we´re stuck
with other methods unless you want to move IP packets only when it´s windy.
Maybe we could attach the packets to hot air balloons and send them with the wind?
Re: East Coast outage? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Aug 15)
Re: East Coast outage? sgorman1 (Aug 15)
RE: East Coast outage? Ejay Hire (Aug 15)
Re: East Coast outage? George William Herbert (Aug 15)
RE: East Coast outage? Matthew Schlosser (Aug 15)
Re: East Coast outage? Brandon Butterworth (Aug 16)
Re: East Coast outage? Andrew Odlyzko (Aug 16)
Re: East Coast outage? Steven M. Bellovin (Aug 16)
- RE: East Coast outage? Stephen J. Wilcox (Aug 15)