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Re: BGP to doom us all
From: "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb () research att com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:30:04 -0500
In message <000301c2df98$1f5dcfe0$4413180a () cisco com>, "Barry Raveendran Greene
The problem that sBGP is trying to solve is *authorization*, not
identification. Briefly -- and please read the papers and the specs
before flaming -- every originating AS would have a certificate chain
rooted at their local RIR stating that they own a certain address
block. If an ISP SWIPs a block to some customer, that ISP (which owns
a certificate from the RIR for the parent block) would sign a
certificate granting the subblock to the customer. The customer could
then announce it via sBGP.
The other part sBGP is that it provides a chain of signatures of the
entire ASpath back to the originator.
Now - show me an operational environment on the Internet were this authorizati
chain is _working_ today. RIRs and RADB do not count. As you mention before,
those databases and keeping them up to date are a "pulling teeth" exercise.
It doesn't exist -- and we have routing problems, due mostly to
Now -- there are clearly lots of issues here, including the fact that
the the authoritative address ownership data for old allocations is,
shall we say, a bit dubious. And the code itself is expensive to run,
since it involves a lot of digital signatures and verifications,
especially when things are thrashing because of a major backhoe hit.
But -- given things like the AS7007 incident, and given the possibility
-- probability? -- that it can happen again, can we afford to not do
AS 7007 can be solved with our existing tool set.
As mentioned here and NANOGs in the past, our biggest problem are providers no
using the tools that they have to build incident resistance into today's
But not against more sophisticated variants.
My own opinion is that sophisticated routing attacks are the
single biggest threat to the Internet.
My opinion is that lazy operational practices are the single biggest threat to
the Internet. What's the point of building security and robustness into a syst
when people choose not to turn it on?
"Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence".
--Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb (me)
http://www.wilyhacker.com (2nd edition of "Firewalls" book)
Re: BGP to doom us all Sean Donelan (Mar 01)
Re: BGP to doom us all Randy Bush (Mar 01)